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Old 07-10-09, 12:40 PM   #1
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Do you use .ZIP or .RAR files?

In addition to cycling, I am also a consultant. My current job is to understand the current use of "compressed" files, such as (.ZIP, .RAR, .7Z, etc.). So I'm looking for people who use compressed files and are willing to take an online 10-minute survey. Your answers will be completely anonymous, and you have the chance to win one of five $100 American Express gift cards.

To participate, click here to start taking the survey: Compressed Files Survey. To get more information, please send me a PM through this forum or email study.interview@gmail.com by 7/17/2009.

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I did the survey, but for this thread...

I use .zip files because I can extract them using something built-in to XP (is it WinZip, even?) but for .rar files I have to install at least the trial version of the .rar extractor thingy.

(I haven't really given a rat's patooey about cmopressed files, honestly, so as long as they use the .zip extension and I can open them, that's all I need. This is one of my holes of knowledge in computer software world.)
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Well, then for Sonata's sake, I'll reply in kind.

I prefer saving most things in ZIP format for the same reason. Its universal...can be opened anywhere.

If I'm saving only for myself on my machine, I use 7Z because 7zip is free and its compression is a little better than zip format. I really zip files more to archive them than to save space, though saving space is a nice fringe benefit.

I HATE RAR files because they are very UN-universal. Can only be opened with WinRAR, AFAIK, which is not a free program. It annoys me that another forum I'm on.....every time somebody uploads a file for others, they almost always use RAR format. Am I the ONLY one on the forum who doesn't have WinRAR?
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Am I the ONLY one on the forum who doesn't have WinRAR?
I don't. WinRar doesn't like Linux. Command line unrar and rar work just fine though!
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Nice for cleaning things up, but it doesn't compress the data.
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I don't. WinRar doesn't like Linux. Command line unrar and rar work just fine though!
Well, yeah, on Linux. But I want to be able to open easily whether on Linux OR Windows.
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I HATE RAR files because they are very UN-universal. Can only be opened with WinRAR, AFAIK, which is not a free program. It annoys me that another forum I'm on.....every time somebody uploads a file for others, they almost always use RAR format. Am I the ONLY one on the forum who doesn't have WinRAR?
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I don't. WinRar doesn't like Linux. Command line unrar and rar work just fine though!
Actually...just looked up RAR files on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAR

According to that article 7zip (my main zip tool) should be able to read them. I wonder if they added the capability since the last time I tried because I recall not being able to many times in the past.


I better make sure I update my 7zip when I get home, I guess.
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I use .zip ties a lot and like my steaks .rar.
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I use total commander for working with files which can read rar or zip without having to get winrar.

I mainly use zip for stuff I archive.
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Old 07-10-09, 03:45 PM   #13
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gzip - linux (sometimes bzip2)
7zip - windows
and I just discovered The Unarchiver for the Mac... so much better than Stuffit.
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I use rar mainly.
I like this shell integration function the best > extract each archive to separate folder
I also like the parity function, but I very rarely use it to make an archive at all.

I just use the trial version endlessly since the shell menu doesn't give an annoying continue/buy now popup and I'm still on 3.71.
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As I answered the quiz:
The choice will vary depending on what the purpose is, for the general public it's .zip due to OSes typically supporting it out of the box. I use .7z or .rar for my own archives.
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On Windows and Linux, I use WinRAR because it supports AES-128 encryption, archive segments, recovery records (so I have a good chance of recovering an archive's contents if there is some corruption), and very good compression. Its archive "signing" for registered users is another way to check for corruption without having to decrypt an archive.

On OS X, I use StuffIt Deluxe for old time's sake. StuffIt has the features that WinRAR does, although it is not in use much anymore these days.

On generic UNIX variants, I hit ftp.gnu.org and compile bzip2 and tar. It works, and is decodable almost anywhere.
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This forum rocks! Thank you, everyone!!!! Survey is getting some great response, and all this additional feedback is fantastic! Keep 'em coming.

And to keep this somewhat on topic, my husband just pulled the trigger on a Bianchi C2C road bike. He looks HOT.
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don't worry, this is foo, completely off topic to bikes
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I don't use .zip any more after losing files to corruption and finding out it's one of if not the worst file compression format to recover.
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One nice thing about bzip2, if a chunk of a file is damaged, you can usually recover the whole file except a damaged block. This is why I use archiving utilities with recovery records.
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Thanks again, everyone. Getting some great responses in this thread and to the survey. If you haven't already taken the survey, please consider saying yes to letting me follow up via a phone interview. We are looking at selecting about 20 people, and only have 13 so far. I don't bite, promise!
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rar is alot more difficult to use than zip. So, I use zip.
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I don't use .zip any more after losing files to corruption and finding out it's one of if not the worst file compression format to recover.
Try tar and gzip files, I practically had to re-write a piece of ancient software because of the GNU's specs on tars and how the software works (or how I've found no available public software that dealt with bad tar headers), only to end up losing every file over a gig (occasional corruptions), and had to use a 3rd party gzipper just to get the archive available to me.

I would have even taken zip that day, which I've been able to get files out of much easier than a 3 day trek of nightmares and disappointments.
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What's wrong with zip? And if it's so bad, then why are other file formats so hard to use? I mean, .rars. Man, that program is really hard to figure out.
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