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    40 Years Ago Today

    I was 9 years old, and the United States accomplished the greatest achievement in Human History. If we hadn't quit the race for all intents and purposes for a number of years, how much further do you think we'd have gotten in the intervening 40 years since then (As humanity, not specifically just the US...)?

    Where do you think we'd have reached with manned presence by now?
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    Oh yeah, 8:30 Eastern tonight the History Channel is rebroadcasting the live news coverage of the landing.
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    and some dolts out there argue that it was all staged and we never went. this will probably have them coming out of the woodwork again.

    very cool moment in history. doing this today would be difficult - doing it 40 years ago with the technology they had then is simply astounding.
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    I agree that space exploration is the coolest thing ever but man it sure does cost a lot.

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    I was in Greece, 11 years old, staying with my cousins, my uncle let me sleep through it, it was like 5AM there. The greatest moment in human history, and I was snoozing.

    But I did catch it later on video. They had b&w TV in Greece, even in 1969.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfmckenna View Post
    I agree that space exploration is the coolest thing ever but man it sure does cost a lot.
    Not as much as national health care or bailing out the banks.

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    Yep, I saw it, but I actually asked a couple of questions and imparted a little more info than posting an image of the mission patch. So, where do you think we'd have made it to by now if we had sustained the same level of effort?

    Personally, I think we'd be starting to mine the Asteroids and would have a manned permanent presence on the Moon already, and a good start on a permanent manned presence on Mars, as well.
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    Moon Day should be an international holiday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmore View Post
    and some dolts out there argue that it was all staged and we never went. this will probably have them coming out of the woodwork again.

    very cool moment in history. doing this today would be difficult - doing it 40 years ago with the technology they had then is simply astounding.
    It was either staged OR it was so hard to do that till this day with the leaps and bonds we've made in science and technology we can't/havn't done it again OR we have no reason to go back again OR we have secretly (hidden from the public in plain site) been going deeper and deeper into space for the past 40 years OR we're back to the dolts version, it never really happened.
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
    It was either staged OR it was so hard to do that till this day with the leaps and bonds we've made in science and technology we can't/havn't done it again OR we have no reason to go back again OR we have secretly (hidden from the public in plain site) been going deeper and deeper into space for the past 40 years OR we're back to the dolts version, it never really happened.
    nope - it really happened. if you have the right equipment you can 'ping' the moon with a laser by reflecting it off of a mirror Armstrong left up there. This has been done by lots of observatories not associated or affiliated with NASA the world over. It is used all the time to this day to take measurements of distances to the moon.

    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/21jul_llr.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    I was 9 years old, and the United States accomplished the greatest achievement in Human History. If we hadn't quit the race for all intents and purposes for a number of years, how much further do you think we'd have gotten in the intervening 40 years since then (As humanity, not specifically just the US...)?

    Where do you think we'd have reached with manned presence by now?

    i just realized, you were referring to when we went to Mars.


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    I'm not saying it didn't happen, although I used to be one of the dolts at this point in time I just feel that it doesn't really matter (to me) if it happened or not, didn't bring us a goddamned bit of good (well, not counting Tang and microwaves) we went to the moon and beat the Ruskies to it, big deal, we spend biliions and billions of dollars going into space and we still have people dying from lack of the basics right here in the mighty U.S. of A, you figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmore View Post
    nope - it really happened. if you have the right equipment you can 'ping' the moon with a laser by reflecting it off of a mirror Armstrong left up there. This has been done by lots of observatories not associated or affiliated with NASA the world over. It is used all the time to this day to take measurements of distances to the moon.

    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/21jul_llr.htm
    A person with the right equipment can ping the moon to take measurements of distances without a mirror being up there....well, I may be wrong as I don't know how? maybe sonar? but I'm sure there are ways.
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    i just realized, you were referring to when we went to Mars.

    OJ hangs up his cleats and then went to Mars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
    A person with the right equipment can ping the moon to take measurements of distances without a mirror being up there....well, I may be wrong as I don't know how? maybe sonar? but I'm sure there are ways.
    Oh, I'm sure there are other ways of measuring the distance to the moon - its just the fact that there is a mirror device installed where NASA said it was installed that can (and has been) verified by 3rd parties is pretty irrefutable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmore View Post
    Oh, I'm sure there are other ways of measuring the distance to the moon - its just the fact that there is a mirror device installed where NASA said it was installed that can (and has been) verified by 3rd parties is pretty irrefutable.
    Again, not saying it didn't happen, just saying.
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    If intellegent apes could reverse engineer a ship they pulled from the bottom of a lake in the middle of the forbidden zone and not only travel into space but also travel back in time why havn't we gone back to the moon!

    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    1) why would we?
    2) to save the money.
    3) they didn't find cheese the first 6 times they went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Not as much as national health care or bailing out the banks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    Yep, I saw it, but I actually asked a couple of questions and imparted a little more info than posting an image of the mission patch. So, where do you think we'd have made it to by now if we had sustained the same level of effort?

    Personally, I think we'd be starting to mine the Asteroids and would have a manned permanent presence on the Moon already, and a good start on a permanent manned presence on Mars, as well.
    I don't know, I kind of doubt it though. That's a pretty serious undertaking. What would be the point of having a manned space station on the moon or Mars anyway aside from the 'how cool is that' factor? I mean if I was convinced otherwise that the benefit to humans is worth the expense then sure but in the mean time it's a silly exercise in playing with toys, very cool toys which I'd love to play with myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth_Firebolt View Post
    1) why would we?
    2) to save the money.
    3) they didn't find cheese the first 6 times they went.
    my point exactly. VVVV

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    i think it's great that we went to the moon on the computing power of 8 gameboy advances. it's really remarkable.

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    why i don't care:
    1) it's not big enough for humans to live on.
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    Wrong
    take the entire human race there, and let me know how much room is left over.

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