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    Prius or Volt?

    I'm torn. I like the idea of the Volt more, but I don't see it succeeding because its niche lies with the Prius which, if rumors hold, will be 20 kilodollars less than the Volt. So who does Chevy hope to grab with a $40,000 eco-car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    I'm torn. I like the idea of the Volt more, but I don't see it succeeding because its niche lies with the Prius which, if rumors hold, will be 20 kilodollars less than the Volt. So who does Chevy hope to grab with a $40,000 eco-car?
    People who think the Escalade Hybrid is too big but don't want an Escape Hybrid because it's still an SUV, but need a hybrid to keep up with the Prius-owning Joneses and their eco-cred, but need to buy American? So maybe 100 people tops left in the US?

    The Volt is a sham... they're only making it now for the buzz value.
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    If by Prius or Volt, you mean Camaro or Challenger, then I say Camaro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    So who does Chevy hope to grab with a $40,000 eco-car?
    People who they pissed off by taking their EV1s back and crushing them in the desert?

    Well-monied persons into environmentalism for the trendiness aspect?

    Fans of incredibly ugly vehicles?

    People who haven't learned that GM couldn't make a quality vehicle to save itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    So the correct answer is "Honda Fit". Hah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    If by Prius or Volt, you mean Camaro or Challenger, then I say Camaro.

    Eff eye eff why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
    People who think the Escalade Hybrid is too big but don't want an Escape Hybrid because it's still an SUV, but need a hybrid to keep up with the Prius-owning Joneses and their eco-cred, but need to buy American? So maybe 100 people tops left in the US?

    The Volt is a sham... they're only making it now for the buzz value.
    Toyota lost money on every Prius that was sold for the first 4 years. GM is, obviously, not in the position to do this which is too bad because if they could drop the cost down to near Prius levels, I think they take a bigger share of the market.

    Ironically, the Prius and the Honda Insight were both developed in reaction to GM's EV-1 project. The Japanese auto makers thought that this was going to be the direction the big three were going to take and they felt behind. If GM had continued the EV-1 evolution, I'm sure they would be sitting in a much better position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    If GM had continued the EV-1 evolution, I'm sure they would be sitting in a much better position.
    Alas, that would require GM to not be completely brain-dead, and let's be honest, that's asking a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    Alas, that would require GM to not be completely brain-dead, and let's be honest, that's asking a lot.
    There is some thinking that GM dropped the EV project in favor of the Hummer line. Yep, one of the most forward thinking vehicles on the road, one that could have done them well for years and years in favor of a dinosaur penis enhancement vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    There is some thinking that GM dropped the EV project in favor of the Hummer line. Yep, one of the most forward thinking vehicles on the road, one that could have done them well for years and years in favor of a dinosaur penis enhancement vehicle.
    Hummer... soon to be owned by a Chinese tractor company.

    Can I correct my above statement to say that "GM is a sham"?
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    Honda Insight looks like a Prius. They both look like a$$.

    If you are set on a Hybrid, get a Fusion.

    Not ed rader

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAJ View Post
    Honda Insight looks like a Prius. They both look like a$$.

    If you are set on a Hybrid, get a Fusion.

    Not ed rader
    Wow. It gets a whopping 34 mpg. Some non-hybrids get better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    There is some thinking that GM dropped the EV project in favor of the Hummer line. Yep, one of the most forward thinking vehicles on the road, one that could have done them well for years and years in favor of a dinosaur penis enhancement vehicle.
    I wouldn't put it past them, but I don't think the timing lines up. I'm pretty sure GM's marketing of the Hummer to the public predates the EV1 by several years.

    Christ, according to Wikipedia, GM had two different hybrid prototypes based on the EV1, one with a turbine charging the batteries, and one similar to current hybrids except with a small diesel engine instead of petrol. 60-100 MPG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAJ View Post
    Honda Insight looks like a Prius.
    I didn't know they were two different cars for the longest time. I just thought Toyota had restyled the Prius a bit. It wasn't until I saw the front and back of one that I did a double take. It's uncanny.

    Also, HA:



    Mugen-tuned Insight. *snort*

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    I wouldn't put it past them, but I don't think the timing lines up. I'm pretty sure GM's marketing of the Hummer to the public predates the EV1 by several years.

    Christ, according to Wikipedia, GM had two different hybrid prototypes based on the EV1, one with a turbine charging the batteries, and one similar to current hybrids except with a small diesel engine instead of petrol. 60-100 MPG.
    They were way ahead of the curve.

    I think it wasn't the marketing of Hummer, it was the development of Hummer they wanted to concentrate on, and as we all know, the development of hummers is really important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    Wow. It gets a whopping 34 mpg. Some non-hybrids get better than that.
    You think that's bad? GM makes a 4WD Silverado hybrid. Whopping 20 MPG.

    Just imagine: Big truck, Skyjacker kit, Super Swampers, and one of these babies:


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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    They were way ahead of the curve.
    Rick Wagoner apparently regrets axing the EV1 project. Too bad that thought process didn't come up ten years ago

    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    I think it wasn't the marketing of Hummer, it was the development of Hummer they wanted to concentrate on, and as we all know, the development of hummers is really important.
    I still can't believe how short-sighted people were then (and now). Manufacturers and consumers both. I wasn't even alive during the whole 70s oil crisis and Rise Of The Compacts, but I was aware of it and the lessons presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    You think that's bad? GM makes a 4WD Silverado hybrid. Whopping 20 MPG.

    Just imagine: Big truck, Skyjacker kit, Super Swampers, and one of these babies:

    This is my favorite poser-mobile. It has "Hybrid" plastered all over it so people can know you're a ******.


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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    The guy who wrote this review must also write for Fox News, so negative and inaccurate that he is obvious, plus he seemed obliged to mention Al Gore's name as a down side of the Prius. I'm sorry I lost a perfectly good 5 minutes of my day reading it.

    I have an '04 Prius I bought new, it is what it is, designed for what I wanted, so I'm pretty happy with the car. The best thing is that it is a Toyota, so it has been perfect since I drove it off the dealer's lot. I average 50 mpg and 4 people are comfortable in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    The guy who wrote this review must also write for Fox News, so negative and inaccurate that he is obvious, plus he seemed obliged to mention Al Gore's name as a down side of the Prius. I'm sorry I lost a perfectly good 5 minutes of my day reading it.

    I have an '04 Prius I bought new, it is what it is, designed for what I wanted, so I'm pretty happy with the car. The best thing is that it is a Toyota, so it has been perfect since I drove it off the dealer's lot. I average 50 mpg and 4 people are comfortable in it.
    To be fair, it's written from an automobile/driving enthusiast point of view.

    If someone is looking for a car that simply gets them from point A to point B with Toyota Reliability™ and a minimum of fuss and getting in the way (also scaring the ever-living **** out of people in parking lots), it'll do all those things just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    I'm torn. I like the idea of the Volt more, but I don't see it succeeding because its niche lies with the Prius which, if rumors hold, will be 20 kilodollars less than the Volt. So who does Chevy hope to grab with a $40,000 eco-car?
    Um.....

    Nobody.

    Brilliant marketing strategy.

    And now you know why they're friggin bankrupt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Um.....

    Nobody.

    Brilliant marketing strategy.

    And now you know why they're friggin bankrupt.
    It's too bad, because it's a brilliant idea, much like the EV-1 was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oakback View Post
    You can't compare it to the Prius, it's a totally different segment of car. You can operate it completely on electricity 100% of the time, unlike the Prius. It's new technology currently not in mass production, so it will cost more at first.
    It's comparable to the public. It's an eco-friendly, 4 door, small-midsized, 5 passenger car. Those that are looking in this market are generally looking at the Prius, a car $20,000 cheaper.

    Again, Toyota lost money for the first 4 years because their target market was people looking at $20,000 cars. At this price, the fit and trim is comparable to other $20,000 cars, even though the drivetrain was unlike anything else in the field. The Volt won't have the trim and fit of a $40,000 cars so the only thing it has is the unique drivetrain which is the opposite of how the Prius is and was, sold.

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