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    A broke a rule today...

    I don't know if this is a rant or a request for advice, but here goes.

    One of my personal rules is to avoid mixing business with friendship. I've been very careful about this after having a bad experience with it about a year ago. If expectations are not met or something goes wrong, then it can affect the friendship. Well this week I broke that rule and was pretty unhappy with the consequences.

    In addition to my day job I have some side ventures, one of which is art-related and requires that I travel occasionally to attend shows. Many of my friends offered to help me get ready for my next show and were quite sweet about wanting to donate their time. After some thought I agreed in spite of my personal rule about not mixing friendship and business. I gave someone a list of instructions that were very specific and left no room for doubt on what needed to be done, or so I thought. the product looked ok when my friend returned it to me, but it was not divided up into the right proportions. Imagine given someone some fabric and telling them to take a bolt and divide it up into 3 yard sections, but you get some that are 2.0 yards, others that are 2.5 and some that are 2.8. Has the quality been affected? No, but when patterns or a project kit generally calls for X number of yards, you don't want to pay for more than you need, or to buy a precut amount and wonder if you're going to have enough to finish. I'm mad at myself for not doing this personally. I'm also frustrated that my friend messed up when it's pretty easy to measure 3 yards unless you aren't paying attention. In fact, I have no idea how anyone could possibly mess this up.


    From an economic standpoint, what would make the most sense when I go to sell this stuff? Here are a couple of options:
    (1) If most of the sections of fabric are at least 2.5 yards then price everything according to that benchmark. If some sections of fabric have more yardage, the customer is getting something for free. Problem is that I might not make as much profit on the stuff that is over 2.5 yards (but less than the 3 yards I asked my friend to do for each piece)
    (2) Calculate price per yard and set an individual price for each separate piece of fabric. Pain in the neck for me to do (takes time) but at least I make exactly the profit I'm supposed to make unlike in case (1).

    Any other ideas?

    Would etiquette suggest that I suck it up and not say anything and simply do everything myself next time? Part of me wishes this person realized what they did since it creates a bad situation for me when I try to go sell this stuff. When people expect consistency and you have a scientist like me behind the product, it's really hard to deal with lack of accuracy...

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    I would personally probably say "Hey, what happened with this?" in a non-accusatory way and go from there. I'd eat the losses, because I broke my own rule.
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    I'd just write it off as tuition for the school of hard knocks. The good intentions were there.

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    I would handle the situation with the knowledge that the person is a friend and that they donated their time to help you. You can never expect others to do the same quality of work, or to follow instructions properly. If you do, you'll be disappointed many times over in life.

    If you're paying them to do quality work, that's different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfster View Post
    I would handle the situation with the knowledge that the person is a friend and that they donated their time to help you. You can never expect others to do the same quality of work, or to follow instructions properly. If you do, you'll be disappointed many times over in life.

    If you're paying them to do quality work, that's different.
    It was a friend of mine who offered to help and I said I'd give them some of the product in exchange for their help. So they sort of got paid but not in the traditional sense. I followed SingingSaber's advice and asked what happened as I noticed not all the items they returned were the same size. The person told me how they did it and said they felt sorry but they tried to do it according to the instructions. I didn't say anything accusatory, more like "I noticed the pieces were different sizes...how were they measured?".

    By putting the pieces of info together privately, I discovered that they had in fact done it correctly in theory, but the tool they used to measure everything was not the right length, so everytime they thought they were measuring 3 yards, it was actually a lot less than that. I figured most people would have noticed or actually checked things carefully in the beginning, but I guess not. So I do agree with you that I expected way too much.

    I feel kind of bummed because I gave her some nice stuff in return but I got the short end of the stick.

    Fortunately, someone else I know was able to give me some good ideas of how to package this stuff in kits with multiple items in it so I can get pretty close to the regular price for it instead of having to sell it at a large discount as individual pieces because of this other person's screw up.

    But yeah, I definitely learned my lesson!! I will do it myself and take an extra month to prepare for these shows so I don't have to send any work out.

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    Hey, look at it this way. At least you didn't mix friendship with business with sex.

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