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    [Geek] HTC Touch Pro (AT&T HTC Fuze).

    A) I'm liking this geek tag.

    B) I just got this phone. It seems pretty boss, but it's taking me some time getting it tweaked to the way I like it. This is what I missed with the iPhone.
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    I like the fact that the HTC Touch Pro can be used for tethering on Bluetooth for an Internet connection anywhere.

    HTC makes some great devices.

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    They do, but they always have weird usability querks.

    What really grates me is finding out that T-Mobile uses a completely different 3G band than everyone else (HSPA 1700/2100 vs UMTS 2100 or HSPA 1900/2100). That means that practically every 3G device out there except for their selection doesn't support their 3G network.

    I was uber excited about trying it out. Oh well.
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    cool phone. I was looking at a G2 before I decided on my Bold.

    If you dont mind... Where did you get it? There's no carrier support so you have to pay for an unlocked phone right?

    The killer for me was the email and keyboard on the BB. Freakin love it

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    I have been considering the T-Mobile Dash 3G (which is a smartphone, as opposed to a touchscreen PocketPC), but I would love to get a decent touchscreen and keyboard phone like what you got or the HTC Fuze.

    AT&T is a good GSM provider. Should I want to move from T-Mobile to AT&T, all it would take is a $25 SIM card, and an OOC (out of contract) plan. I love T-Mobile's service, but I wish they would offer something than the ancient 200 mhz TI-OMAP phones such as the Wing or Dash. If they could get something like the Fuze on their network, they likely would have a hit on their hands.

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    I have used the touch pro a few times. I have also used all the iphone releases. I would gladly spend 2x the amount to use the touch pro. A great feature is that you can use it on a GSM or a CDMA network. No more of that limited crap. It is just a superior phone. end of story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic65 View Post
    I have used the touch pro a few times. I have also used all the iphone releases. I would gladly spend 2x the amount to use the touch pro. A great feature is that you can use it on a GSM or a CDMA network. No more of that limited crap. It is just a superior phone. end of story
    I think you have it mixed up. The Touch Pro/Touch Pro 2 supports W-CDMA, which is a 3G standard used for video conferencing and data calls (I think). It's not the same as CDMA2000, which is the cellular technology Sprint and Verizon implement.

    I've also had an iPhone, and while it was a great device (excellent usability; best in the market, hands down), it got boring really quickly. I probably would've kept it for a little longer had I not interrupted my data service for a little while, but there were some things that I really didn't care too much for, like:

    • The lack of copy and paste (I know that they've addressed this now, but Windows Mobile had it since...forever?!)
    • The sluggishness of the UI (It's slow by default on non-3g iPhones running 3.0)
    • The lack of MMS (I know they've addressed this also, but I believe that only the iPhone 3G and above can actually use it. There's a hack to get it working for older phones, though.)
    • The virtual keyboard!! (It's really good, but not only can it be a pain, it also doesn't work with gloves and the like because of the capactive touchscreen)


    I'm liking the fact that I can navigate by touch or by D-pad, and that I have a physical keyboard at my disposal (which is an excellent keyboard; better than the Blackberry, so far). I also like that it has Windows Mobile, since it lets you do anything you damn well want. I didn't like spending a good chunk of time getting stuff to work and finding out that the GPS functionality is weak sauce, but that's what I missed with the iPhone: the geekability of it all.

    If anything, Teeter is ****** boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    I have been considering the T-Mobile Dash 3G (which is a smartphone, as opposed to a touchscreen PocketPC), but I would love to get a decent touchscreen and keyboard phone like what you got or the HTC Fuze.

    AT&T is a good GSM provider. Should I want to move from T-Mobile to AT&T, all it would take is a $25 SIM card, and an OOC (out of contract) plan. I love T-Mobile's service, but I wish they would offer something than the ancient 200 mhz TI-OMAP phones such as the Wing or Dash. If they could get something like the Fuze on their network, they likely would have a hit on their hands.
    If I'm not mistaken, T-Mobile supports the HTC Touch Diamond, which is a slimmer version of the Touch Pro; it's labelled as the T-Mobile MDA Vario IV. Stupidly enough, not even that supports its 3G band.

    They will also release the G2 sometime soon, which will hopefully address a lot of the shortcomings observed with the G1 (like the weird keyboard design).

    I agree with you, though; they're selection has always been weak, and I don't see that changing any time soon. You have to admit, though; they've gotten a lot better over the years. Remember the whole "Let's not support anything after the Treo 600" bit a few years ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidonabike View Post
    cool phone. I was looking at a G2 before I decided on my Bold.

    If you dont mind... Where did you get it? There's no carrier support so you have to pay for an unlocked phone right?

    The killer for me was the email and keyboard on the BB. Freakin love it
    I got it from a local seller on eBay. The "official" route is to purchase it unlocked, which is significantly costly.
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    suffering with windows mobile for a year is exactly why I got an iPhone. The Tilt (HTC Keiser) is a ***, and WinMo is terrible. Battery life stunk, usability as a phone --egad!-- was poor, and simple usability gaffes like assuming the user would always use two hands and the stylus is just, well, unusable.

    Now if the iPhone didn't need to be jailbroken to tweak, I'd be in hog heaven. As it is, I'm pretty close...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrCrassic View Post
    I think you have it mixed up. The Touch Pro/Touch Pro 2 supports W-CDMA, which is a 3G standard used for video conferencing and data calls (I think). It's not the same as CDMA2000, which is the cellular technology Sprint and Verizon implement.

    I've also had an iPhone, and while it was a great device (excellent usability; best in the market, hands down), it got boring really quickly. I probably would've kept it for a little longer had I not interrupted my data service for a little while, but there were some things that I really didn't care too much for, like:

    • The lack of copy and paste (I know that they've addressed this now, but Windows Mobile had it since...forever?!)
    • The sluggishness of the UI (It's slow by default on non-3g iPhones running 3.0)
    • The lack of MMS (I know they've addressed this also, but I believe that only the iPhone 3G and above can actually use it. There's a hack to get it working for older phones, though.)
    • The virtual keyboard!! (It's really good, but not only can it be a pain, it also doesn't work with gloves and the like because of the capactive touchscreen)


    I'm liking the fact that I can navigate by touch or by D-pad, and that I have a physical keyboard at my disposal (which is an excellent keyboard; better than the Blackberry, so far). I also like that it has Windows Mobile, since it lets you do anything you damn well want. I didn't like spending a good chunk of time getting stuff to work and finding out that the GPS functionality is weak sauce, but that's what I missed with the iPhone: the geekability of it all.

    If anything, Teeter is ****** boss.


    you got bored with an iPhone? funny, i didnt realize copy and paste was so exciting. jus sayin. later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdex View Post
    suffering with windows mobile for a year is exactly why I got an iPhone. The Tilt (HTC Keiser) is a ***, and WinMo is terrible. Battery life stunk, usability as a phone --egad!-- was poor, and simple usability gaffes like assuming the user would always use two hands and the stylus is just, well, unusable.

    Now if the iPhone didn't need to be jailbroken to tweak, I'd be in hog heaven. As it is, I'm pretty close...
    The problem with Windows Mobile is that it gets handed to the OEMs. They choose what to put on the OS unless you are able to "cook" a flashable ROM and put on exactly what you want, like what I did with a HTC Wizard.

    Battery life is also widely varying. My PocketPC has a 200 MHz TI OMAP CPU, and it is slow (though is can be overclocked a little bit), but I have gotten five days standby time from it. Other devices are a lot faster, but battery life may suffer.

    I agree Windows Mobile needs updating, and Microsoft did exactly that in the yet released 6.5. The stylus was an expected tool pre-iPhone. However, a "finger friendly" UI is the standard, and Windows Mobile is long overdue for an upgrade to bring it on par UI-wise with Palm, Symbian, or the iPhone.

    Unfortunately the HTC Touch Diamond is for T-Mobile in Europe. As of now, you have four smartphones to choose from with WM capability from T-mo in the US: Two colors of the Shadow, the Dash 3G, and the Dash. None of these even have a touchscreen. Probably the best thing for me to do is either hit the unlocked market, or unlock an AT&T quad-band GSM phone for the premium price they charge.

    I like Windows Mobile's security. I use a utility similar to TrueCrypt which allows me to store confidential documents in an AES encrypted volume and mount/dismount it as needed. The memory card encrypts all files written to it transparently so if it gets stolen, I'm not out my saved E-mail. If someone guesses a password more than 10 times, the unit will hard reset and erase itself, zeroing out the internal filesystem with the one copied from the flash ROM, and I can always log into my Exchange server and zap the device should it get stolen. Blackberries have this functionality as well, but BES (the backend server) is very expensive. Finally, all executable files on my device are signed (either by myself or the manufacturer) so the current security hole that is giving grief to a lot of smartphone owners (fake update messages via SMS to urge the user to download a Trojan) won't run on my phone.

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    Aren't you still a student? I believe BES Express is free, but I haven't verified that.
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    http://www.blackberry.com/select/pro.../express.shtml

    Sounds like you only get one user with the free software.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    The problem with Windows Mobile is that it gets handed to the OEMs. They choose what to put on the OS unless you are able to "cook" a flashable ROM and put on exactly what you want, like what I did with a HTC Wizard.
    That's the problem, and the beauty, about using Windows Mobile. It sucks, but you can't say that it's unmoddable. You can flash your own ROMs! The only other OS you can do that with at the moment is Android (unless you consider OpenMoko's stuff complete).

    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    Battery life is also widely varying. My PocketPC has a 200 MHz TI OMAP CPU, and it is slow (though is can be overclocked a little bit), but I have gotten five days standby time from it. Other devices are a lot faster, but battery life may suffer.
    I agree, but I believe the tradeoff in functionality makes it somewhat worth it. Other than Android (which is obviously set to antiquate the Windows Mobile model), you can chat on AIM, listen to music on Pandora, surf the web, write a document, send text messages and use GPS at the same time. Battery life will go down the dumps, but the fact that one can do all of that on a mobile phone is pretty impressive. (The Fuze also has TV-out, which is pretty amazing too.)

    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    I agree Windows Mobile needs updating, and Microsoft did exactly that in the yet released 6.5. The stylus was an expected tool pre-iPhone. However, a "finger friendly" UI is the standard, and Windows Mobile is long overdue for an upgrade to bring it on par UI-wise with Palm, Symbian, or the iPhone.
    WinMo 6.5 is kind of an odd product. On one hand, you can see and feel the evident changes Microsoft implemented to make their OS more finger-friendly, as well as the usual UI changes and such. On the other hand, it's still the dated Windows Mobile we're all familiar with. Typing a text message somehow takes up lots of CPU (why?), and things still feel clunky. I hope that this gets addressed with WinMo 7, as Android is really beginning to tear it down.

    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    Unfortunately the HTC Touch Diamond is for T-Mobile in Europe. As of now, you have four smartphones to choose from with WM capability from T-mo in the US: Two colors of the Shadow, the Dash 3G, and the Dash. None of these even have a touchscreen. Probably the best thing for me to do is either hit the unlocked market, or unlock an AT&T quad-band GSM phone for the premium price they charge.
    I got my Touch for $330, and you know that unlocking an HTC device is free (most of the time).

    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    I like Windows Mobile's security. I use a utility similar to TrueCrypt which allows me to store confidential documents in an AES encrypted volume and mount/dismount it as needed. The memory card encrypts all files written to it transparently so if it gets stolen, I'm not out my saved E-mail. If someone guesses a password more than 10 times, the unit will hard reset and erase itself, zeroing out the internal filesystem with the one copied from the flash ROM, and I can always log into my Exchange server and zap the device should it get stolen. Blackberries have this functionality as well, but BES (the backend server) is very expensive. Finally, all executable files on my device are signed (either by myself or the manufacturer) so the current security hole that is giving grief to a lot of smartphone owners (fake update messages via SMS to urge the user to download a Trojan) won't run on my phone.
    I heard about that exploit too, though I think it's been around for much longer than it seems.

    What I really like about Windows Mobile is the number of options it presents. It kills usability, but the fact that almost everything has an advanced menu and can be tweaked down to the letter (but not to the source) is a big plus for me. It doesn't try and simplify things, nor does it try to sacrifice function for form. It is what it is, and I like it that way.
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    I agree about that completely. Windows Mobile doesn't tell me how to work. It may take a bit of tweaking (I've used a number of Registry hacks to enable stuff), but the functionality is well worth it.

    Usually if you hit a site like xda-developers, you have a high chance of finding a utility to both CID (so you can flash whatever ROM image you want) and SIM card unlocks for your model phone. The only disclaimer is that this does technically void the warranty.

    My biggest complaint about Windows Mobile is that Microsoft needs to get off its derriere and start doing some updates. Not just moving a UI from stylus to finger based, but a complete revamp. People are used to using gestures and multitouch. WM 7 needs this functionality, and it needed this functionality last year.

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