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Old 09-04-09, 12:43 PM   #1
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Vehicle for Idiots

Quite amusing and probably not the best move politically. But there are definately great arguments for both sides... And its always funny to see that big shots can "lose it" in a stupid pointless argument.

Diesel vs Electric cars

Since this is right up my career path, i'll refrain from comment
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/03/r...ls-chevy-volt/
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Old 09-04-09, 12:52 PM   #2
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I drive a Ford Freestyle. I find it to be an excellent vehicle for an idiot.
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Old 09-04-09, 03:33 PM   #3
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Well for a guy who makes balls ... ahem. Oh but lovely balls at that ...
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I loves me bolt... or was that volt... either way it's a lovely car that I'll never buy.

turbo diesel inline 6 for life
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I actually plan on buying the Volt in the 2nd year production, I have been a Chevy guy for many years.I have been following this car for a long time
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That's a fun arrangement. We had an old Dodge 89 pickup with a turbocharged diesel in it. One of the previous owners stuck an anti-lag kit on it, so halfway through first gear that turbo kicked in hard and all you heard was that beautiful jet engine whine. I miss that truck. We replaced it with an '08 Toyota Tundra, which is just not the same

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I was joking about the turbo inline 6 diesel.

if anything it would have to be a normally aspirated inline 6 or turbo V6
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Is it even legal to drive any vehicle with less than a V8 in Texas?
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Is it even legal to drive any vehicle with less than a V8 in Texas?
Illegal unless it haz the gun rack in the back wind-er
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That dude looks like Doohickie.
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I've got a turbo diesel I6... it's an awesome engine. ~19-20 MPG which, for the size of the pickup it's in isn't bad at all.

I also just got a TD V6... also an awesome engine! 32 MPG highway, 26 combined and plenty of power.

I'll stick with diesel for a while.
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http://www.redlightracing.org/

works better if you do both
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works better if you do both
of course it does.. but who is going to pay that much of a premium
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I must admit...I agree with the guy: Diesels in Europe are incredibly efficient. It's too bad not many folks here would buy them or we might see some truly efficient cars available.

Electric is tough to get behind with the inevitable battery disposal, availability of an emergency charge on the road and the unknown overall longevity.
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of course it does.. but who is going to pay that much of a premium
at this point that is a moot point really

car sales have dropped back down to about 8 million units per year, that is less than half the replacement rate needed just to maintain par of 250 million pax cars on the roads of the US

driving has already been put out of reach of lots of people and it will get far worse and progressively so
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Funny thing, a few years ago, people would have scoffed at Tata's Nano Europa (the Europa has more safety features) offering if it ever came to US shores. Now there are people actually willing to stand in line for one of these.

It is a sad sign of the times.
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If I was to buy another car it would be much like this... VW Rabbit / Golf diesel.


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If I was to buy another car it would be much like this... VW Rabbit / Golf diesel.

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If I were to go for a compact car, I'd probably go for a Fit/Civic. They are common and boring, but its easy to find parts for them, and one of the biggest Honda service/body shops is fairly close to where I live.

I've never understood the attraction of VWs. The people I know who bought one (and this has no real statistical signficance) would not buy one again because of issues they had dealing with performance or reliability.
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I have a 1994 civic. There are precisely two cars I would consider trading it for: a mini cooper or a mazda miata. Conspicuously absent from this list is a new civic.

Small, reasonably agile, lightweight, fun to drive, aaaaand..... 40+mpg on the highway. Hard to beat... I'll be a sad puppy when it finally dies.
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I loves me bolt... or was that volt... either way it's a lovely car that I'll never buy.

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What are you trying to do? Flip the car on torque alone?
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I must admit...I agree with the guy: Diesels in Europe are incredibly efficient. It's too bad not many folks here would buy them or we might see some truly efficient cars available

I met a bunch of European and Asian engineers from a bunch of different companies while I was at the SAE congress, and they all seemed to agree that in terms of a compromise between cheap parts and good mileage, a turbo diesel pneumatic hybrid would be the most effective option, because it could offer mileage better than a Prius, while costing only about a thousand dollars more than a regular TDI car.
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Diesel is awesome. I had an '83 Mercedes Benz Turbo Diesel Wagon. Inline 5 engine. Just awesome. Great gas mileage, huge torque, runs forever.

I also think electric cars are a great idea, when done correctly. For short drives (<100 miles per day), which is all most people do on a daily basis, an electric car makes the most sense, both from a CO2 perspective, and a cost/mile perspective.

Then again, I work for an electric utility, so maybe I'm a shill.
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