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Old 09-11-09, 05:53 PM   #1
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Stupid Fatal Crash

Just watched this on FOX News, no linky sorry...

There was a guy calling 911 saying that he was driving and his accelerator got stuck, he could not slow down or stop. The guy crashed during the call, doing 120 (he said)... few people died.

And here I'm thinking, if it happens to you, what would you do?

1) Call 911 for help while doing 120mph
2) Put the car on "neutral"
3) Turn off the engine
4) options 2 and 3
5) Be stupid and die

...My condolences to the families of the involved tho...
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Fox news, the news station that blows everything out of proportion.
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Fox news, the news station that blows everything out of proportion.


Or simply makes news up to further thier agenda.
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I don't get the 2 previous posts as they have squat to do with the op. Must be a knee jerk reaction.
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Take car out of gear. Pull e-brake.
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How well would the emergency brake work at 120mph? I'd probably gear down to start, then shift to neutral and brake.
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I've had one of the bolts that hold the air filter to the carburetor come out and wedge open the throttle plate full open - basically the same as having a stuck accelerator pedal. No big deal: put car in neutral and kill ignition (quick before engine overrevs and damages itself) and coast/brake to the side of the road.
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Take car out of gear. Pull e-brake.
and spin steering wheel. Congratulations, you have just completed a bootleg turn. But probably not a real good idea at 120 mph.
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i'd of called chuck norris and had him roundhouse kick the car into submission.
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How well would the emergency brake work at 120mph? I'd probably gear down to start, then shift to neutral and brake.
some cars are smart enough to not allow you to shift into a gear other than neutral that would destroy the clutch.
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Take car out of gear. Pull e-brake.
e-brake doesn't work too well at speeds over 40mph.

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and spin steering wheel. Congratulations, you have just completed a bootleg turn. But probably not a real good idea at 120 mph.
I wonder if the guy was going 120mph before the pedal got stuck or couldn't figure out how to slow the car down before hitting 120mph and crashing.

I'd probably use the guard rail if the car was going faster than 60mph and still accelerating out of control if neutral and brakes didn't work.
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I don't get the 2 previous posts as they have squat to do with the op. Must be a knee jerk reaction.
if your news was good, they'd include: details of what happened instead of just the end results and a reminder of how to avoid and escape such a predicament before it is too late.
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in a situation like that you have so many options that are safer than doing 120 until you crash. given he was probably nervous he could have thrown the shifter (if it was an automatic) into any other position and been fine. Park or reverse and the car would stall, nuetral and it would coast down (maybe damaging the engine but thats better than death right?), and any of the lower gears like 1 or 2 would drop speed down to atleast 50. Obvious solution is to just shut the car off. Also I would assume if you stomped on the brakes you could slow down a little too.

actually something similar happened to my cousin (i think the brakes went out, not a stuck accelerator) so he put it in neutral and hit bushes, benches, small trees and eventually a big tree (he was approaching a major intersection) and came to a (somewhat) safe stop. way better than taking out other people.
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some cars are smart enough to not allow you to shift into a gear other than neutral that would destroy the clutch.

e-brake doesn't work too well at speeds over 40mph.



I wonder if the guy was going 120mph before the pedal got stuck or couldn't figure out how to slow the car down before hitting 120mph and crashing.

I'd probably use the guard rail if the car was going faster than 60mph and still accelerating out of control if neutral and brakes didn't work.
If its still accelerating in neutral, your driving Christine, and screwed no matter what.
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I thought the word "agenda" was limited to P&R... lol
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What if you were in a loaner car that you were not familiar with, the accelerator pedal got stuck underneath a floor mat and the on/off button must be held down for three seconds to shut off the car?
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Huh??? There are absolutely NO cars on the road with engines more powerful than the brakes. Most modern cars can brake at around 1G on street tyres. I doubt many of them can accelerate to 200mph in a 1/4-mile. Especially when you're in a tall enough gear to go 120mph, the brakes can easily overwhelm the puny amount of torque that makes it to the ground.
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Just watched this on FOX News, no linky sorry...

There was a guy calling 911 saying that he was driving and his accelerator got stuck, he could not slow down or stop. The guy crashed during the call, doing 120 (he said)... few people died.

And here I'm thinking, if it happens to you, what would you do?

1) Call 911 for help while doing 120mph
2) Put the car on "neutral"
3) Turn off the engine
4) options 2 and 3
5) Be stupid and die

...My condolences to the families of the involved tho...
6) Apply the brakes until you stall the engine.
There isn't a car on the road with an engine that can overcome the brakes.
(Edited to add: I see Danno beat me on this point.)

Using the ebrake is dumb because you are only braking 2 out of 4 wheels,
and the rear brakes are almost always less powerful than the front.

That guy is too stupid to have a driver's license.
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OK, now I've found the linky:

From WBFF FOX 45 web site.

http://www.foxbaltimore.com/



"SANTEE, Calif. (AP) -- Four people aboard a runaway car told each other to hold on and pray moments before their 911 call ended in screams and a fiery crash.

The California Highway Patrol released a recording of the call Thursday, detailing the disturbing last seconds of the Aug. 28 crash in which a passenger complained the accelerator was stuck.

Witnesses say a weaving Lexus topped speeds of 120 mph before launching off an embankment and bursting into flames in Santee, in Dan Diego County.

In the 50-second recording, passenger Chris Lastrella tells the dispatcher, "We're in trouble. There's no brake."

Moments before the crash, the passengers tell each other to "hold on" and "pray."

The victims included CHP Officer Mark Saylor, his wife Cleofe, their 13-year-old daughter Mahala and Lastrella."


I haven't found a link to the audio yet...
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6) Apply the brakes until you stall the engine.
There isn't a car on the road with an engine that can overcome the brakes.
(Edited to add: I see Danno beat me on this point.)

Using the ebrake is dumb because you are only braking 2 out of 4 wheels,
and the rear brakes are almost always less powerful than the front.

That guy is too stupid to have a driver's license.
The passenger told the 911 operator that there were no brakes.

The driver was a CHP officer.
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I haven't found a link to the audio yet...
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...&zIndex=163775

Click on the link under Audio.
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If its still accelerating in neutral, your driving Christine, and screwed no matter what.
could be a down hill... although I'd like to see a stretch of road where you can hit 120mph just in neutral.

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What if you were in a loaner car that you were not familiar with, the accelerator pedal got stuck underneath a floor mat and the on/off button must be held down for three seconds to shut off the car?
still way less time than getting from 60mph to 120mph, unless it's one of those super cars with more than 400hp.

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in a situation like that you have so many options that are safer than doing 120 until you crash. given he was probably nervous he could have thrown the shifter (if it was an automatic) into any other position and been fine. Park or reverse and the car would stall, nuetral and it would coast down (maybe damaging the engine but thats better than death right?), and any of the lower gears like 1 or 2 would drop speed down to atleast 50. Obvious solution is to just shut the car off. Also I would assume if you stomped on the brakes you could slow down a little too.

actually something similar happened to my cousin (i think the brakes went out, not a stuck accelerator) so he put it in neutral and hit bushes, benches, small trees and eventually a big tree (he was approaching a major intersection) and came to a (somewhat) safe stop. way better than taking out other people.
the clutch wouldn't engage in reverse, but park and neutral should work.
1-2 will not engage until you're in a range where it would work, the clutch would slip. you can probably get 2 to work at 60mph for an automatic, but 120mph, I doubt.
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The passenger told the 911 operator that there were no brakes.

The driver was a CHP officer.
Accelerator stuck *and* no brakes?
Assuming the passenger was correct, it is sounding like deliberate sabotage.
But that still would not prevent putting the car in neutral, or turning off the engine.
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the clutch wouldn't engage in reverse, but park and neutral should work.
1-2 will not engage until you're in a range where it would work, the clutch would slip. you can probably get 2 to work at 60mph for an automatic, but 120mph, I doubt.
I have thrown a 95' Ford Explorer into reverse while driving. It just stalled.
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I've stalled the engine with an altima 4sp auto by throwing it in reverse while attempting a J-turn in the snow. I should clarify that it won't engage in reverse with manual.


no brakes and stuck accelerator smells fishy.
if it was a manual, and the clutch cable was cut, it's still possible to pop it into neutral by forcing it.
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