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Old 09-22-09, 07:29 AM   #1
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Obesity

Ok, I'm trying to tap into the brain trust we call foo.
NBC's Biggest Loser started last week, and its on again tonight. It is one of 2 shows I try to watch each week (the other being House M.D.). Also, I'm very bored at the office today, since I've already done most of the work and its not even 9:30 in the morning.

Anyway, what can we do to help reduce this problem in America, or the rest of the world.
Do we need to preach every day to our co workers? Do we just keep our mouths shut and lead by example? Do we try to get them to go on walks at lunch?

Suggestions, people. I need suggestions!
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Ok, I'm trying to tap into the brain trust we call foo.
NBC's Biggest Loser started last week, and its on again tonight. It is one of 2 shows I try to watch each week (the other being House M.D.). Also, I'm very bored at the office today, since I've already done most of the work and its not even 9:30 in the morning.

Anyway, what can we do to help reduce this problem in America, or the rest of the world.
Do we need to preach every day to our co workers? Do we just keep our mouths shut and lead by example? Do we try to get them to go on walks at lunch?

Suggestions, people. I need suggestions!
Walks at lunch isn't a bad idea. I think preaching to people turns them off from whatever suggestions you may have. Drop a couple hints that you're gonna start walking for a half hour at lunch or whatever and if anyone would like to join, feel free. Make it their choice and make it without pressure.

If you talk to your employer, sometimes they'll be in on the action. Talk to them about incentives for those that do something, commute by bike, walk at lunch, whatever it may be. Incentive programs really seem to help. If people can get a little something extra, it makes exercise seem a little more worth while.
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Walks at lunch isn't a bad idea. I think preaching to people turns them off from whatever suggestions you may have. Drop a couple hints that you're gonna start walking for a half hour at lunch or whatever and if anyone would like to join, feel free. Make it their choice and make it without pressure.

If you talk to your employer, sometimes they'll be in on the action. Talk to them about incentives for those that do something, commute by bike, walk at lunch, whatever it may be. Incentive programs really seem to help. If people can get a little something extra, it makes exercise seem a little more worth while.
All good stuff....can you think of a way to make this a national campaign?
I'm half way serious here. I swear, half the reason medical costs are so much is due to the poor shape most people are in here in this country. I want to start doing something to help combat this.
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My company bought a bunch of pedometers, sold them to the employees at cost and had organized lunch walks and contests.
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Have to wonder if that show glorifies being obese in a twisted way. Sure, it does provide some inspiration, but at the same time, how many people just sit there saying "someday I'll do that" and put off starting to do something about it, or think their only hope is to have a personal trainer to lose the weight?

Ironically, I think television is the #1 cultural factor behind the epidemic. I know this sounds simplistic, but some folks needs carrots and sticks to get them to do anything. If they don't care enough to do something on their own though - makes me wonder why they continue to exist.
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Have to wonder if that show glorifies being obese in a twisted way. Sure, it does provide some inspiration, but at the same time, how many people just sit there saying "someday I'll do that" and put off starting to do something about it, or think their only hope is to have a personal trainer to lose the weight?

Ironically, I think television is the #1 cultural factor behind the epidemic. I know this sounds simplistic, but some folks needs carrots and sticks to get them to do anything. If they don't care enough to do something on their own though - makes me wonder why they continue to exist.
That makes great sense...I've never really thought of it that way

One problem IMO is that crappy food is cheap is readily available...whether it be fast food or frozen fattening pizzas in the grocery store

and sadly, unless someone wants to help themselves and actually become healthy ...nothing will change
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Walking is boring.
If you're by yourself, yeah, but if you're in some sort of social walking group, it can be fun.

MV, I think local is the best way to start. Try to set up a program at work, if it goes well, you can use it as an example and take it to your city council.
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Build neighborhood schools to which kids either walk or ride their bikes.

Pampering them with minivan rides to everything everyday leads to lazy fat kids which leads to lazy fat adults.

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Have to wonder if that show glorifies being obese in a twisted way. Sure, it does provide some inspiration, but at the same time, how many people just sit there saying "someday I'll do that" and put off starting to do something about it, or think their only hope is to have a personal trainer to lose the weight?

Ironically, I think television is the #1 cultural factor behind the epidemic. I know this sounds simplistic, but some folks needs carrots and sticks to get them to do anything. If they don't care enough to do something on their own though - makes me wonder why they continue to exist.
You're onto something with the tv. So many people WASTE hours watching tv, it's so brainless, such a waste
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It starts with the kids. Lots of schools have cut out gym and exercise to save money (I'll spare the political comments). So they're not learning early. Couple that with 2 parents working and the kids don't get outside to play, and instead play video games and watch TV. Add in 2 parents that can't get up the motivation to exercise, are too tired to cook when they get home and rely on fast food/carry out/etc. and there's the problem.

It can't be legislated out and it can't be relegated out with targeted taxes. History shows that people will keep doing what they do, regardless of added costs.

Get gym classes back in school (and get soda machines OUT) and teach kids how to eat the right amount. Employer programs to get the parents active will help too (especially if they come with a financial incentive). I like the one mentioned above with the pedometer.

Exercise alone won't cut it. Walking for an hour will only burn off 300 calories or so, that's not very much. Learning to eat is the key. Without education there, nothing will help.

Lastly, many folks either don't care that they're fat, or are too ashamed to admit it to themselves. Until an individual decides to do something about it, they won't change. I know that from personal experience. I'm 5'7" and hit 210 early in '09, and my waist hit 40". That was too much for me. This morning I'm at 145lbs and my waist is 28".
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I hate tosay this, but I think it will solve itself, no matter how pessimistic or optimistic about the future.

Optimism: A pill/nanoparticle/? will enable everyone to maintain a stable weight.

Pessimism: Peak Oil/Nuc-u-ler Winter/etcetera will, among other problems, get people back on bikes, their feet, and maybe horses and mules.

The problem will rectify itself, just like overpopulation.
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You watch a show about fat people?And then believe anything you do can save anyone but you?Sell the TV.
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How to solve obesity in 3 simple steps:

1) Buy an RPG tube and as many rockets as you possibly can

2) Blow up every fast food joint you see

3) escape from the FBI.
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It starts with the kids. Lots of schools have cut out gym and exercise to save money (I'll spare the political comments). So they're not learning early. Couple that with 2 parents working and the kids don't get outside to play, and instead play video games and watch TV. Add in 2 parents that can't get up the motivation to exercise, are too tired to cook when they get home and rely on fast food/carry out/etc. and there's the problem.

It can't be legislated out and it can't be relegated out with targeted taxes. History shows that people will keep doing what they do, regardless of added costs.

Get gym classes back in school (and get soda machines OUT) and teach kids how to eat the right amount. Employer programs to get the parents active will help too (especially if they come with a financial incentive). I like the one mentioned above with the pedometer.

Exercise alone won't cut it. Walking for an hour will only burn off 300 calories or so, that's not very much. Learning to eat is the key. Without education there, nothing will help.

Lastly, many folks either don't care that they're fat, or are too ashamed to admit it to themselves. Until an individual decides to do something about it, they won't change. I know that from personal experience. I'm 5'7" and hit 210 early in '09, and my waist hit 40". That was too much for me. This morning I'm at 145lbs and my waist is 28".
very well said..I agree with you 100%...
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i just rode my bicycle to purchase a video game. did i break even?
i think we have to do something about it, since survival of the fittest has been killed off in the human race. in the end, it's still a personal choice, which means it will never completely go away.
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The more I think about the OP (post, not poster), the more aggravated I get. It's admirable that you want to help, but you can't. Here's why...

What makes you think you (personally, govt., etc.) should do something? Why can't people be left alone to live their lives the way they see fit? Isn't that part of what living in a free society is about? Sheesh, get off it and worry about yourself and your family. It's quite frankly none of your business how other people live their lives.

Note: that's a rhetorical 'you' above and not a personal one.
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The more I think about the OP (post, not poster), the more aggravated I get. It's admirable that you want to help, but you can't. Here's why...

What makes you think you (personally, govt., etc.) should do something? Why can't people be left alone to live their lives the way they see fit? Isn't that part of what living in a free society is about? Sheesh, get off it and worry about yourself and your family. It's quite frankly none of your business how other people live their lives.

Note: that's a rhetorical 'you' above and not a personal one.
Um...dude, take a chill pill. I in no way intended for anyone to think people should be forced into compliance with anything I put together. I want to put together a program, a comprehensive program, of diet and exercise which anyone can participate in, without having to pay for a gym membership or a personal trainer, which clearly some feel is necessary for success. In other words, a program to help people who want to help themselves and get support from others of a similar nature.
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Um...dude, take a chill pill. I in no way intended for anyone to think people should be forced into compliance with anything I put together. I want to put together a program, a comprehensive program, of diet and exercise which anyone can participate in, without having to pay for a gym membership or a personal trainer, which clearly some feel is necessary for success. In other words, a program to help people who want to help themselves.
That makes a lot more sense. Why didn't you say that in the first place?

Ok, here's my suggestion....

- Handouts with calorie counts for common fast food type meals from the local fast food joints.
- Handouts with the amount of calories you burn with common exercise (like walking) and how that compares to your favorite fast food - like an hour walking for 300 calories burns off the same number of calories as a McD's plain hamburger. That might help put things in perspective.
- Some meal planning suggestions for quick meals, along with recipes and calorie counts. Enough food for a full week (yup, all 21 meals) at a time.
- Suggestions for books/websites that have calorie counting info (fitday, etc.)
- Simple exercise plans that can be done on the lunch hour or after/before work, and don't involve the purchase of equipment (unless you can talk your employer into subsidizing it)

How's that for a start?

The key for me when I started to lose weight was learning how to count calories, finding out how many I ate in a day, and realizing how little food I actually need in order to meet my daily caloric needs. Once I found that out, the rest was just sticking to plan.
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That makes a lot more sense. Why didn't you say that in the first place?

Ok, here's my suggestion....

- Handouts with calorie counts for common fast food type meals from the local fast food joints.
- Handouts with the amount of calories you burn with common exercise (like walking) and how that compares to your favorite fast food - like an hour walking for 300 calories burns off the same number of calories as a McD's plain hamburger. That might help put things in perspective.
- Some meal planning suggestions for quick meals, along with recipes and calorie counts. Enough food for a full week (yup, all 21 meals) at a time.
- Suggestions for books/websites that have calorie counting info (fitday, etc.)
- Simple exercise plans that can be done on the lunch hour or after/before work, and don't involve the purchase of equipment (unless you can talk your employer into subsidizing it)

How's that for a start?

The key for me when I started to lose weight was learning how to count calories, finding out how many I ate in a day, and realizing how little food I actually need in order to meet my daily caloric needs. Once I found that out, the rest was just sticking to plan.
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Walking is what I do when my bike is broken and I didn't bring what's needed to fix it.
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Oh and MV, good on you for wanting to help folks.

I swear I'm not a sock puppet for pcad when I say this...but the new iPod nano might be a desirable prize for any contests you come up with: It has a pedometer.
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It all depends on who you are walking behind.
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The key for me when I started to lose weight was learning how to count calories, finding out how many I ate in a day, and realizing how little food I actually need in order to meet my daily caloric needs. Once I found that out, the rest was just sticking to plan.
I think that's a big part of the problem...If people really knew the amount of calories that they take it in one day, they'd really be surprised...

that..and portion control is way out of hand in this country
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