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    I've got an XP Pro OEM cd if you want to borrow it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post

    The CD will boot the computer as well as install the new OS. You will likely have to repartition the HDD and this will wipe anything you have on the portion of the HDD that will be part of the new partition.
    Nothing against ubuntu....I've got an extra hard drive for a perfectly good 6 yo laptop that I'm going to use to jump on the linux wagon.

    But can you tell the OP how he/she can save his pictures, songs, video, school thesis, or whatever that will get wiped out during your proposed process? I don't think anyone is trying argue that WinXP is better than Linux/Ubuntu. But the OP would need to get into Windows and back up his data before making that switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by telebianchi View Post
    Nothing against ubuntu....I've got an extra hard drive for a perfectly good 6 yo laptop that I'm going to use to jump on the linux wagon.

    But can you tell the OP how he/she can save his pictures, songs, video, school thesis, or whatever that will get wiped out during your proposed process? I don't think anyone is trying argue that WinXP is better than Linux/Ubuntu. But the OP would need to get into Windows and back up his data before making that switch.
    Most Windows recovery disk reformat the drive and reinstalls everything so it looks same as when it was shipped so in either case a backup is necessary.

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    Here's what he needs: UBCD4win.

    Basically you the utility to build a boot-CD with the specific set of drivers needed for your computer. Download drivers for your laptop from Dell. Then use the boot-CD to boot your computer. Attach an external USB drive and copy all your data off. Now you've got your data retrieved and can plug the USB drive into any other computer out there and get your work done as you figure out what to do with the old laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annc View Post
    The illegal part of copying with respect to copyrights is in the distribution. You and your friend can copy all the cds you want but you can't give any to each other.
    Untrue. It is perfectly legal to do so. The catch is USING the software...you have to have a license to USE the software. If he has a legit Cd-KEY that he owns, he's perfectly legal to do so.



    That's the reason there are so many distributors that just sell licenses of Windows, but not the software itself. How could anybody sell a license of the software without the CD if it were illegal to copy or use another CD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    Hello, my name is Rob...and I'm an unabashed ubuntu evangelist...
    Really? What a coincidence, I'm also named Rob.

    I'm not an evangelist though. I'm antagonistic. Perhaps, with you being evangelical, you could wander over the the hostile takeover thread. I hear that there are positions available in the Couchology hierarchy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by telebianchi View Post
    Nothing against ubuntu....I've got an extra hard drive for a perfectly good 6 yo laptop that I'm going to use to jump on the linux wagon.

    But can you tell the OP how he/she can save his pictures, songs, video, school thesis, or whatever that will get wiped out during your proposed process? I don't think anyone is trying argue that WinXP is better than Linux/Ubuntu. But the OP would need to get into Windows and back up his data before making that switch.
    You only need to boot the computer with a CD. You can use the Ubuntu in "trial mode" to get the PC up and running and it will recognize your hardware & configuration. Then just copy everything to an internet based backup file. Once it's there, you can wipe the HDD and reinstall any OS you want to. Then download the files (after scanning them for malware first).
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    Another question: I have a license for the XP Home edition, will this license also work for the pro edition? The tech guy I usually talk to says yes, another tech savvy person doubts it. Anyone know for sure??

    Rob P., I initially was just gonna give up and wipe everything clean, but you've intrigued me. So i can download this 'ubuntu' thing on my buddy's Mac, burn it onto a cd and boot my computer up on it using 'trial mode', and it will recognize all old stored data from Windows and allow me to save it, correct? Can I just save my music (only thing i care about) from ubuntu onto a flash drive and it will run, and be recognized, by windows??

    If no one's figured out, im sorta tech ********... It's a curse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
    Really? What a coincidence, I'm also named Rob.

    I'm not an evangelist though. I'm antagonistic. Perhaps, with you being evangelical, you could wander over the the hostile takeover thread. I hear that there are positions available in the Couchology hierarchy.
    You're fighting a losing battle bud.


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    Another question: I have a license for the XP Home edition, will this license also work for the pro edition? The tech guy I usually talk to says yes, another tech savvy person doubts it. Anyone know for sure??

    Rob P., I initially was just gonna give up and wipe everything clean, but you've intrigued me. So i can download this 'ubuntu' thing on my buddy's Mac, burn it onto a cd and boot my computer up on it using 'trial mode', and it will recognize all old stored data from Windows and allow me to save it, correct? Can I just save my music (only thing i care about) from ubuntu onto a flash drive and it will run, and be recognized, by windows??

    If no one's figured out, im sorta tech ********... It's a curse...
    As I said earlier, get the correct version CD. A "tech guy" may have a multi-version XP DVD that covers all the variations, but if it's a CD, it needs to be the right version.

    There are many boot CDs that will allow you to run an OS in RAM and get your data off the drive, not just Ubuntu. There's also OSes that will run off a thumbdrive if the PC and the thumbdrive are capable. Here's one that does both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikernator View Post
    Another question: I have a license for the XP Home edition, will this license also work for the pro edition? The tech guy I usually talk to says yes, another tech savvy person doubts it. Anyone know for sure??

    Rob P., I initially was just gonna give up and wipe everything clean, but you've intrigued me. So i can download this 'ubuntu' thing on my buddy's Mac, burn it onto a cd and boot my computer up on it using 'trial mode', and it will recognize all old stored data from Windows and allow me to save it, correct? Can I just save my music (only thing i care about) from ubuntu onto a flash drive and it will run, and be recognized, by windows??

    If no one's figured out, im sorta tech ********... It's a curse...
    XP Home key absolutely will NOT work w/ an XP Pro CD.

    Yes, you can boot Ubuntu (Or any other 'live' cd distro) and copy your files from the hard drive to a USB drive no problem, then copy them back to whatever OS you decide to use.
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    Ubuntu was on my laptop about 24 hours. Way too long.

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    If you don't have Technet or MSDN access, Windows 7 releases on October 22. It may not be as lean as XP, but it is an OS that is made to combat the security threats of today, and not the security issues of 2001. W7 is what Vista should have been, OS-wise, as it runs with decent performance on a lot less hardware than Vista needs. To boot, any drivers that are compatible with Vista will work on W7. The only exception to this are poorly coded ones which have to have an exact version number to work, such as some motherboard drivers.

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    http://cgi.ebay.com/MICROSOFT-WINDOW...#ht_848wt_1064

    What I'm looking for?? What's SP2?? Thanks for everyones input, btw... And thanks for the offer, HickeyDog (interesting name), but my license is for Home Edition, which apparently will not work..

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    SP2 = service pack 2, the second major package of updates MS released for the operating system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    See that tiny sliver? That's you.
    The Linux community has never been very large. Mostly because MS and MAC have the major share of the marketplace in software apps. And, because the Linux community was originally a buncha programmers who didn't have the marketing brains to understand that people LIKE "pretty colors" and "easy to use without needing to learn techspeak." These days, most Linux distros are as easy to use as Windows or Mac.

    The fact that Linux has a small market share is going to change with the advent of internet based "suites." With the internet being the gateway to whatever app you need, the compatibility of the OS with the app is going to go away. At that point people will begin to ask WHY they need to pay money for an OS when there is a free one that is just as easy to use available just for asking.

    If you think I'm wrong, why has MS been trying to get in on the Linux bandwagon? Either they want to find a way to stop it, or they are trying to find a way to SELL it under the MS label. Given the history of MS and the way it acquires licenses, I'd think that option #2 is what they are coveting.

    I have been waiting 10 years for Linux to catch up to the real world. It has finally done so in an elemental way. In 2-5 years, Linux will be the leader is desktop OS's as much as Unix is the leader in server applications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
    The Linux community has never been very large. Mostly because MS and MAC have the major share of the marketplace in software apps. And, because the Linux community was originally a buncha programmers who didn't have the marketing brains to understand that people LIKE "pretty colors" and "easy to use without needing to learn techspeak." These days, most Linux distros are as easy to use as Windows or Mac.

    The fact that Linux has a small market share is going to change with the advent of internet based "suites." With the internet being the gateway to whatever app you need, the compatibility of the OS with the app is going to go away. At that point people will begin to ask WHY they need to pay money for an OS when there is a free one that is just as easy to use available just for asking.

    If you think I'm wrong, why has MS been trying to get in on the Linux bandwagon? Either they want to find a way to stop it, or they are trying to find a way to SELL it under the MS label. Given the history of MS and the way it acquires licenses, I'd think that option #2 is what they are coveting.

    I have been waiting 10 years for Linux to catch up to the real world. It has finally done so in an elemental way. In 2-5 years, Linux will be the leader is desktop OS's as much as Unix is the leader in server applications.
    I have been using Linux since Slackware split from SLS, and have seen it go from a hobbyist OS [1], to running a Web server or two in universities, to being snuck into companies via the back door (at the time, PCs were inexpensive, but SPARC hardware was pricy), and eventually became a mainstream server OS. What made Linux perfectly acceptable by bean counters on the server side was IBM's release of AIX 5L, which was completely binary compatible with Linux (although the binaries had to be on the POWER architecture).

    Server-wise, Linux is there to stay. Desktop wise, Linux has three battles. The first are apps. Yes, you can do the basics with Open Office.org, but there are more elaborate apps such as video production, music production, and other items that really don't exist, or if they do, they are not that approachable for Joe User.

    The second (and this applies to companies) is managebility. One selling point of Windows is that with a click from an Active directory server, new policies can be pushed out that can block USB flash drives, even lock down the wallpaper on the background.

    Finally, there is the issue of Linux gaming. There are a number of OSS projects, but for most users, they want to buy (or download from Steam or another service) something cool, and start blowing new holes in monsters. Right now, I think there is a vast untapped market here, but most Linux users are not used to commercial products on their OS.

    [1]: In 1991-1993, there were no UNIXes available to students or hobbists for a reasonable cost. If you wanted one, you paid $1000 for a copy of mtXinu which came with source code, or paid $500 for Dell UNIX (yes, Dell computer had their own SVR4 variant). In middle of 1991, Bill Jolitz released 386BSD, which had a core compressed install disk, and about 10 disks for the binaries. The source took about 20 3.5" floppies. At the same time, Linus Torvalds released his first kernel. People borrowed code from Minix (the alt-f1/alt/f2 console switching is a concept from that OS) to get a complete OS running.

    386BSD eventually split into FreeBSD and NetBSD. Linux had various distributions form around it (SLS, MCC, TAMU, then Slackware and after that, Debian, RedHat, SuSE, and so on.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
    I have been waiting 10 years for Linux to catch up to the real world. It has finally done so in an elemental way. In 2-5 years, Linux will be the leader is desktop OS's as much as Unix is the leader in server applications.
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    On the enterprize level (+$1-billion/yr companies), Linux is making tremendous inroads and gaining market-share at a rapid pace. I've been dealing with a lot of Oracle Unbreakable Linux boxes running OracleDB and Peoplesoft for managing databases. We're talking about managing +10TB of databases from a single box serving +1000 clients without batting an eyelash. Nothing else comes close in terms of performance per dollar-spent in this market.

    But for the desktop... well, with more apps being web-based, we might be going back to the terminal-mainframe model of computing.

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    Neat... But in reference to the link in post #39, is that what I need?? It was the cheapest thing on ebay that seemed to fit the bill, but is it just the service pack and junk, or appear to be what I need to reformat XP?? Thanks...

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    No! That ebay item is a set of boot floppies for Windows XP. The listing did not say it included the CD, so most likely for the cost of that, you will get two 3.5" floppies in the mail and nothing else.

    What you need is an XP CD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikernator View Post
    Neat... But in reference to the link in post #39, is that what I need?? It was the cheapest thing on ebay that seemed to fit the bill, but is it just the service pack and junk, or appear to be what I need to reformat XP?? Thanks...
    No. The ebay link is not what you need.

    This

    or this if you have a key for windows XP home edition.

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    There's also a very good chance that the OP's hard-drive has died. In which case, having a legitimate XP install CD won't do him any good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
    There's also a very good chance that the OP's hard-drive has died. In which case, having a legitimate XP install CD won't do him any good...
    Best answer

    ALSO .. xp pro is more available & costs just a little less
    having someone lend you a disc will work for a few months or a year but M. soft WILL torpedo you enventually VIA an update, it's what they do.

    As far as service packs and much else I've read here... get a new PC or LT, it's only a matter of time. I'm still strrugling with all of this. That too will change when I spring for a brand new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old and new View Post
    Best answer

    ALSO .. xp pro is more available & costs just a little less
    having someone lend you a disc will work for a few months or a year but M. soft WILL torpedo you enventually VIA an update, it's what they do.

    As far as service packs and much else I've read here... get a new PC or LT, it's only a matter of time. I'm still strrugling with all of this. That too will change when I spring for a brand new one.
    *yawn*

    You obviously have NO idea what you're talking about. But thanks for playing.

    If he borrows a CD and uses his own legitimate Win XP Home key then there's nothing wrong with that at all and Microsoft could care less, nor will an update 'torpedo' him.

    Remember, you DON'T own software (unless you wrote the software yourself!). You own a license to use said software. BIG difference.
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