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Old 09-26-09, 11:20 PM   #1
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How do you (personally) feel about vegans and vegetarians?

What is your experience/ how do you feel about vegans and vegetarians?
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Old 09-26-09, 11:22 PM   #2
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Old 09-26-09, 11:34 PM   #3
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I said "vegetarians" not vegetables . I am actually curious what your actual feeling is about them.

Backstory: 20 year vegetarian here, I'm as low key about it as they come, I only let somebody know if it's unavoidable. You can eat a steak in front of me; I don't mind, in fact, I may ask how the steak is.

Anyway, I've had some issues with vegans, I get the impression some of them feel that my kind, lacto-ovo 'tarians are somehow inferior. I've heard from people who eat meat that they have had vegans flip out on them for eating meat etc.

In my Sociology class, there is a "militant" vegan. Even the instructor is a vegan, though she isn't really the militant type, I feel her course material is biased towards veganism (ie: it's mentioned in the course outline.) This bothers me a great deal as I feel "my kind" is an endangered species and that the non-rude vegetarian/vegan is also rare. That also bothers me as sometimes people act nervous about eating meat in front of me, from past *****ings-out from other vegetarians (actually, I mostly hear it's vegans doing this.) I obviously can't undo every bit of damage that rude people of my particular dietary choice do.

I'm curious about everyone's experience with vegetarians and vegans. Have you had rude treatment? You can comment no matter what your dietary choices, even vegans may reply.
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Old 09-26-09, 11:46 PM   #4
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I think they are exercising a choice. As long as they don't get all militant on me and try to dictate my choices, I'll accept theirs.
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Which is what I want...I believe in personal choice (about most things) Have you had experience with them, Tom?
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Sorry Luddite but most vegans don't get along with me. I try to get along with them but vegans don't want to get along with anybody and they don't want to meet anybody half-way.
I sat in this Thai food restaurant awhile back (ok, 2 weeks ago) and ordered pad ki mao (I loves me some pad ki mao). I told the waiter to add beef. As the waiter went towards the kitchen with the order, he was stopped by a lady at a table as she grabbed his arm.

Lady: I just heard someone order his food with beef. Make sure that none of his beef touches any of what I ordered! I don't want beef in my food! Please make sure none of his food touches my food!

I mean, jeesh lady! Take a chill pill!

At work I tried to make my move on a co-worker but she's vegan and won't go to any of the restaurants that I like so I gave up after awhile. Tough crowd.
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What is your experience/ how do you feel about vegans and vegetarians?
I find them annoying.
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Old 09-26-09, 11:57 PM   #8
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Old 09-27-09, 12:00 AM   #9
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Which is what I want...I believe in personal choice (about most things) Have you had experience with them, Tom?
My niece is a militant Vegan. She tried her thing with me, until I patiently explained that I can't assimilate vegetable protein properly, so she accepts my carnivore diet. (I have a shortened alimentary canal, and am missing some enzymes necessary to break down Vegetable protein, and need animal protein to get enough Protein oin my diet.)
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Old 09-27-09, 12:07 AM   #10
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When it comes to dating or living with someone, picky eaters bother me to some extent and I feel vegetarians and vegans are just another form of a picky eater. I never shoulda broke up with that one girl that loved Vienamese, Ethiopian, Greek, Lebanese, all the good stuff and had no problems with a little veal every now and then.

Some veg's come across as picky eaters with a purpose and try to preach too much, those are really bothersome, but I don't know that many like that.

I was ovo-lacto (and fish maybe once a month) for a couple of years, then one day after snowboarding a gigantic greasy cheeseburger sounded like the best thing in the world, and it was.
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Dated a vegetarian for a while.
Deciding where to go eat was a continuous maddeningly frustrating struggle.
Only found one restaurant that had vegetarian nachos, first veggy food I had that didn't seem like an incomplete appetizer. Damn good nachos.
Those nachos were the only good thing i got out of that relationship.
Really good nachos here:http://tpsiclients.com/chowpatti/

Also she borrowed all my f'in money and never paid back a cent
Shoulda known she was no good cuz she hated cats
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Old 09-27-09, 12:39 AM   #12
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Vegans are good because they make vegetarianism more attractive. Before people had heard of veganism, vegetarianism was the most extreme thing out there and many people don't want to be the craziest kid on the block. But as long as there is something even more extreme, it makes vegetarianism seem pretty mild by comparison and people will accept it.

I was a vegetarian for several years and still believe it a much better/smarter/more-responsible way to live. But it was such a pain in the ass that i gave it up. i'm still not a big fan of meat, but i'll eat it. but i rarely crave it.
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Old 09-27-09, 12:39 AM   #13
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To each their own - if they want vegan, fine - cool by me; meat peeps - fine by me. I've been tending to eat less meat the last many years anyway. But when I do - it's spectacular.

I used to run the catering division of a cajun bbq restaurant and did many vegan dishes for weddings (that included meat as well) and back in the kitchen we were careful of how the food (usually a spicy vegetable gumbo) was prepared - plus we also prepared a great roasted pepper hummus (made sure it was a separate grill too in order to do the roasted peppers) and how food was prepped to go to places, etc - there was no mixing of food stuffs - we made sure - I mean even the dressings (and ingredients into the dressings) were totally approved of.

No problems with me here with vegans. However pushing one's "life-style" on me would definitely irritate me and so that wouldn't be good. Meh. I haz too many other things in life to think about though.
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Old 09-27-09, 12:43 AM   #14
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I was a hard core vegetarian (milk products, yes, but no meat, fish or eggs) for 3 years beginning at age 20. I lost a lot of weight and became anemic to the point where I couldn't even donate my blood. Then a former vegetarian shared her experience with me, relating how not everyone can eat a strict vegetarian diet. My issue at the time was moral, the non-killing of animals. When it came to survival though (being strong as opposed to being weak and sick), I decided to live as healthy and strong as I could, which meant beginning to eat chicken and fish for the necessary protein and B vitamins. Over time the moral issue also became moot. Now I don't believe there is any connection at all between the raising and killing of animals for food and "higher awareness."

A former neighbor was a militant raw food vegan. She was a very intolerant person, constantly railing against "poisoned processed foods" and modern artificial lifestyles. She was also prone to really bizarre behavior, including but not limited to violent outbursts to the point where her (now ex) husband was given complete custody of their baby girl. These days I pretty much walk away whenever anyone brings up the subjects of vegetarianism and modern artificial lifestyles.
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I said "vegetarians" not vegetables.
Yeah, I got that.

They're good with a bit of hickory sauce too. Mmmm.
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I don't care what others eat, as long as they stay out of my business.

My mother is a vegetarian. My father is a carnivore and a hunter. I choose meat, but I certainly know where it comes from. I've gone through cycles of no meat, and so has my sister. We've both come back to meat at different points, though. ...Oddly enough, one of my vegetarian cycles was the result of switching back to beef when we had eaten all of the Elk my father had killed. Beef was just too nasty smelling and fatty in comparison to the Elk. I did eventually get over it, but I'm still fussy about beef being of high quality (low in fat, raised right, and not just a mix of beef parts from different countries).

We all managed to live in one house. Most dishes were presented with a meated and meatless version. Burritos, spagetti, manicotti, etc. can be done both ways. If meat is the main dish, my mom will make sides that contain protein.

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Old 09-27-09, 05:59 AM   #17
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Their are all kinds of diets people choose for many different reasons. A vegetarian is no different than any other dietary choice. Like any subject people become passionate over lifestyle choices & at times can be rather aggressive in their desire to express their views. I do not evaluate people based on diet or any other lifestyle choices. I evaluate people based on their self respect & the respect they extend to the people around them. We all make choices & live with the rewards or suffer the consequences of those choices.
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Old 09-27-09, 06:44 AM   #18
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Depends on the idividual. As one member stated, I don't care much about what others do but I'm in no possiton to not care about guests, family members who are vegetarians. I need to accomodate them as far as food, I'm obliged to. On a personal note, some vegetarians bug me, you know, the ones that eat certain foods, all the while espousing their views on others eating meat.
One young fellow I know, a self identified vegetarian likes chicken, sushi and an occasional burger, he's one of those individuals. A niece of is a vegetarian, I respect her. She says and does what she believes, no exceptions. She's quite healthy. She's birthed three children on her kitchen floor with a midwife and her mom present so she's got to be strong and healty
Vegans .. not so sure. There are essential vitamins that exist in and ONLY in animal products such as dairy and others, those things acceptable to vegetarians but not vegans.
I find it awfully peculiar that vegans can't even eat honey, very strange !
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Old 09-27-09, 07:02 AM   #19
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it's a western thing.

try being a vegan in one of the asian countries. It's impossible to eat a strict vegetarian diet because a lot of the cuisine is based around at least one form of meat.

It's understandable to not eat a certain meat when there is a new virus making it's way around that species.
But I think vegans are in disbelief if they think their diet is 'moral'. Who's setting their standards for 'morals'? Why do they think they have better morals than omnivores?
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Vegetarians who are 'socially competent' are fine. By that I mean that they don't hassle you about your food choices, don't hassle staff in restaurants unreasonably, and don't freak out about a little bit of potential 'cross contamination' (I'll keep half the BBQ grill clean for you, but don't ride me about the little stuff because I'm armed with tongs - 'K?).

Vegans scare the beejeebers out of me. Firstly because nearly every vegan I've met has been annoying by constantly hassling me/the group about our food choices. Secondly because EVERY vegan I've met has struggled to remain healthy due to the amazing difficulty in securing adequate nutrition from such a limited range of foodstuffs.
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Old 09-27-09, 07:44 AM   #21
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I thought vegetarian Hindus and vegetarian Buddhists did not eat meat?

I love some vegetarians. The vegetarians in my family are not true vegetarians. They eat eggs, cheese, milk, etc. The vegetarian Hindus I know also eat dairy products and may even cook lamb and chicken for other family members. So I guess, I do not know any true vegetarians.

Many do not eat chicken, pork, beef, lamb, venison, goat, shellfish.

Some do eat fish, scallops, shrimp, abalone, crayfish, lobster, snails, octopus, squid.

I just think of them as vegetarians because that is what they are eating mainly. I find it funny vegetarians that eat soybean products that mimic chicken or a garden burger.

I also notice certain beef/pork/chicken/etc. eaters that condemn fishing for your dinner. I am sure there are always those that have a problem in what others do.
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Vegans drive me nuts. Some of the most judgemental condecending (sp?) and unhealthy people I've ever met. My friends son starting dating a new age hippy vegan (17yr old) and got converted. She started preaching at us first time we met her. Typical stuff. I asked why her health was so bad when I'm 40 with perfect health, blood pressure etc and only go to the Dr. maybe once a year. And it's usually for a little sniffle or I've crashed the mtn bike again and need to get something realigned.
That pretty much shut her up.
Vegetarians, no problems. Like most people have said, keep the militant crap to yourself. Sorry, I'm a firm believer the human body needs real protein to keep moving.
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I thought vegetarian Hindus and vegetarian Buddhists did not eat meat?

I love some vegetarians. The vegetarians in my family are not true vegetarians. They eat eggs, cheese, milk, etc. The vegetarian Hindus I know also eat dairy products and may even cook lamb and chicken for other family members. So I guess, I do not know any true vegetarians.

Many do not eat chicken, pork, beef, lamb, venison, goat, shellfish.

Some do eat fish, scallops, shrimp, abalone, crayfish, lobster, snails, octopus, squid.

I just think of them as vegetarians because that is what they are eating mainly. I find it funny vegetarians that eat soybean products that mimic chicken or a garden burger.

I also notice certain beef/pork/chicken/etc. eaters that condemn fishing for your dinner. I am sure there are always those that have a problem in what others do.
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I have never had personal problems with vegetarians or vegans, but I would not get along well with someone who thinks I'm a immoral person for eating meat.

I think vegans could be a threat to society, if they came to power. Think PETA. They would try to forbid people to eat meat. Absurd? See what the anti-smoking people are doing.

They'll never be a threat, though. Vegetarianism and, specifically, veganism are very unnatural behaviors. These are not just ways of eating. These are ideologies.

For some sensible vegetarians, I recommend www.beyondveg.org.
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So long as the person choosing to eat that way doesn't make an issue out of it, or start proselytizing, or cares what I choose to eat, it matters nothing to me. Eat what you want, I'll eat what I want. And leave it at that.
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