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Old 10-07-09, 11:38 PM   #26
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However I am a very smart driver and got both perfect scores on my written and driving test to prove it.

Not that smart.

Long story short I'm not a perfect law abider with the steering wheel in my hands.

Frightening.

You are about to lose your license because you have failed to demonstrate that you are able to operate a motor vehicle in a safe and responsible manner.

Weird sense of entitlement you have here... driving is a privilege and not a right and you have failed to demonstrate you deserve that privilege.

If you do get out of this and retain your license I'd re-evaluate your driving skills and address the issues that have put you in this place... your insurance rate is going to become shocking and some of this is warranted as young male drivers cause more than their fair share of accidents.
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Obviously my original intent was to explain that I have since changed my ways of driving. I no longer speed and am a cautious driver. Always.
I drive a spyder eclipse and the cops are always out to get me for it.
Ticket says speed in excess of posted limits.

I just got off the interstate. Going 65 for 2 hours. It was a Sunday night and there was no other drivers on the county road, thus my not paying too much attention to my speed. As soon as I saw the speed limit had lowered I began to slow and then got radared.

I'm sure most of you understand that a split second could change a ticket for going 25 over to a weird look from the cop for going 5 under. A touch of the gas and a second later it could be 30 over.

The way I see it I didn't deserve this one and I am trying to fight my way out of it. I don't need to be lectured for the way I drive. I know when I go over 1mph over the posted limit it is speeding. I also know that the laws in my state are different from yours but they are always out to make you and I pay more money.

There is ways around a ticket like this for any state but I don't know how to do it regarding the rules and laws for Wisconsin
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I'm 17 and turn 18 in a month. I want to ask and see if anyone can help me out with my situation. I have 1 speeding ticket under my belt already and a few other tickets for sliding off a curb and leaving my car on the side of the road. Long story short I'm not a perfect law abider with the steering wheel in my hands.
However I am a very smart driver and got both perfect scores on my written and driving test to prove it.

Last Sunday I got caught in a speed trap. It was on a Sunday night on an unmarked county road that quickly went to a 35 zone due to a sharp curve. I got pulled over right after this an got clocked at 51mph.

I was extremely polite and the officer told me he would cut me a break.
By this he meant he would write me a ticket and put 50mph on it...

If this citation goes through I no longer have a license due to points doubling after my first and second offence. I called up the officer and made up a sob story and went in and told him everything hoping he would let me off. He talked to the clerk of courts and told her my story. They told me they would send me a letter in the future explaining to talk to someone at the court house.

How else can I go about getting out of this. Can I bargain and say I will pay the ticket? I cant have the points on my record.


Wisconsin must also be different from other states because the officer is never present in the courtroom. Can't I just plead not guilty because there is no one there to contest?
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Wisconsin must also be different from other states because the officer is never present in the courtroom. Can't I just plead not guilty because there is no one there to contest?
That alone should be enough to get you off. If there is nobody there to testify against you, and if you are unable to cross-examine your accuser, it's a violation of the Sixth Amendment (Melendez-Diaz v. Massachusetts recently affirmed the defendant's right to cross examine anyone who took part in preparing evidence against the defense as well).

You have the right to confront your accuser, so if the cop doesn't show up, you should move for a dismissal on the grounds that there is no one there to testify against you and you are being deprived of your right to cross-examine the plaintiff.

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However I am a very smart driver and got both perfect scores on my written and driving test to prove it.
When the tests are designed so nearly everyone can get a license, acing the tests only proves you're maybe about average.

The fact you're about to stack up enough points on your license to lose the thing in less than 2 years of driving says a lot more about how "smart" a driver you actually are.
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Maybe BikeForums was a less than ideal place to apply for sympathy here.
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You were 1 ticket away from losing your license and you were speeding?

There is this thing in life called risk/reward. You had a high risk situation that had little to no reward and took the risk, and lost.

does your car have cruise control? Might want to consider using it to stay under the cops "radar".
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Simple concept that has kept me ticket free since 1969 when I bought my first car. I have no sympathy for anyone who thinks they can drive the way that they want and then try to weasel out.
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Old 10-08-09, 04:58 AM   #35
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I drive a spyder eclipse and the cops are always out to get me for it.
No, despite those reassuring you that the cops are out to get you because you have a spyder eclipse, they're wrong, too. Cops don't give a rat's ass what kind of car you are driving... they are out to get you because YOU WERE SPEEDING.
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For now, plead not guilty and go to court. When you get there, before you see the judge, ask to speak to someone about a possible plea bargain. In some courts plea bargaining is a common practice, and you have nothing to lose by asking. Don't just plead guilty.
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Things vary from state to state, but you might look into filing "no contest" when you show up for your court date. I did this after a few tickets back in 1990 in Texas. What it did was wipe off that ticket, but put you on probation. If you got another ticket in the next 12 months you got that old ticket PLUS the new one for good measure. Look into it.

Other than that, traffic school is the only other option that I know of. Do be polite at your court trial, perhaps mention not noticing the speed reduction and be up front (but not excessively blabby) about past tickets and ask about how to reduce this one with school or probabation so you can keep your license.
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No, despite those reassuring you that the cops are out to get you because you have a spyder eclipse, they're wrong, too. Cops don't give a rat's ass what kind of car you are driving... they are out to get you because YOU WERE SPEEDING.
They leave me alone because I have a RYOBI Weed Eater.

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No offense, your not a smart driver, smart drivers obey what they learned in class! Maybe you should stop speeding, lesson learned this time to me.
He was either texting his girlfriend during class or sending pics of his weeny to all of his buddies from his iPhone on "How to drive a car and not endanger others on the road" day.
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I can't offer any advice, just solidarity.

I had the same problem when I was your age. The day after I graduated high school (not quite 18 yet), I got my first ticket (88 in a 50).

Over the next two years I got SIX tickets (4 of them speeding). At one point I went to insurance because my parents said I had to get off their insurance and get my own (just before I moved out), and they told me that not only would they not insure me (at any cost), but that had they seen my ticket record before, they would have cancelled my parents' insurance.

Anyway.....all I can say is slow down. I know its hard, but just learn to do it. Force yourself unless you want to go through years of tickets coming in at just the wrong time (when you don't have money)....going over the limit of taking the classes to get points taken off, etc... It really is more hassle than its worth.

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I'm 17 and turn 18 in a month. I want to ask and see if anyone can help me out with my situation. I have 1 speeding ticket under my belt already and a few other tickets for sliding off a curb and leaving my car on the side of the road. Long story short I'm not a perfect law abider with the steering wheel in my hands.
However I am a very smart driver and got both perfect scores on my written and driving test to prove it.

Last Sunday I got caught in a speed trap. It was on a Sunday night on an unmarked county road that quickly went to a 35 zone due to a sharp curve. I got pulled over right after this an got clocked at 51mph.

I was extremely polite and the officer told me he would cut me a break.
By this he meant he would write me a ticket and put 50mph on it...

If this citation goes through I no longer have a license due to points doubling after my first and second offence. I called up the officer and made up a sob story and went in and told him everything hoping he would let me off. He talked to the clerk of courts and told her my story. They told me they would send me a letter in the future explaining to talk to someone at the court house.

How else can I go about getting out of this. Can I bargain and say I will pay the ticket? I cant have the points on my record.


Wisconsin must also be different from other states because the officer is never present in the courtroom. Can't I just plead not guilty because there is no one there to contest?
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Old 10-08-09, 09:31 AM   #43
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Foo Rat, I'm not going to agree with the car as being the target. I've always had muscle cars. I never got a ticket in the red Formula, the gold Z28 or the Black Trans Am. HOWEVER, I did get a ticket in my OTHER black Trans Am, the Smokey and the Bandit model...

I know it's tempting...a teen having something with power. I understand, which is why I took my cars to the track.

But my neighbor - she killed a little girl when she first got her license at the age of 38...she too passed her driving test with flying colors. But the sudden freedom and the fact that she had a powerful machine that she controls got to her. She is now 65 and still has not EVER gotten behind the wheel since. The guilt still haunts her.
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No, despite those reassuring you that the cops are out to get you because you have a spyder eclipse, they're wrong, too. Cops don't give a rat's ass what kind of car you are driving... they are out to get you because YOU WERE SPEEDING.
That must be why the cops always tail me when I drive in my car (91 Camaro, black, no tint of any sort), but never in my girlfriend's car (94 grand am, bright red). We trade cars back and forth, so I end up taking the same trips in both cars. Mind you I drive around 4mph faster in her car than I do in mine.

OP, it sounds like you did get screwed at least a little bit on this one. In Indianapolis they have a habit of putting speed limit changes a half mile past freeway interchanges, and then putting a cop right in front of the speed limit change to catch people who speed up too soon (I-465W to I-865 for those form Indy). On the other hand, the difference is that most people would now have 1 ticket, and you have 3. It isn't so much that you are getting screwed by this ticket, as it is that your other two, and numerous infractions you weren't caught for, have finally caught up with you.
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Could also be that his infractions came up when the officer pulled up his DL. In a situation such as that, a cop might be thinking that he won't be so lenient.
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I agree with Siu. Bring the car to the track. Join an AutoX club. It'll be much much much cheaper than the fines & insurance premium increases.

You think you're getting a rush driving 75 on a 45mph 2 lane curvy blacktop? It's 100x more fun when you're doing it safely & legally on a track.

Going to the track will make you a much much much much better/smarter driver. You'll learn your car's capabilities in a week. You'll learn your capabilities/inadequacies as a driver as well.

Don't be surprised when a little old lady passes you in a minivan. Driving is about skills. It's not about speed. When your skills increase, so will your speed.

I think you would appreciate this video. A van (driven by a professional driver) passing Porches & motorcycles (driven by Average Joes like you & I on a track). The van she uses is a Ford diesel van that is capable of doing 0-60 in 20 seconds.

Your spyder can do it in what? Under 6 seconds?
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What you need is a car that feels fast at safe street speeds, not one that feels slow at safe street speeds. Then you get your adrenaline rush without the speeding tickets or unnecessary risk to the world around you.
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Old 10-08-09, 04:03 PM   #48
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I drive a 1983 truck with just over 90 HP. Trade ya? I don't think I'm capable of doing 30 over the speed limit, unless I'm in a school zone.
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I say dump the car and get a 250cc motorcycle. You'll have 1,000x more fun on a 250cc bike compared to an average car.
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