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Old 10-08-09, 09:19 PM   #51
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Excellent first bike! You will have a blast on the 250r. If you ride around town, a smaller bike is much better than a 600cc super sport. Scooters (Vespas & other Chinese food delivery Japanese scooters) are much much much quicker where I live compared to someone on a Honda 1,000RR.

Make sure you buy armor. Bring the 250r to the track and learn how to drag your knee. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQAMnD13AwI
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Old 10-08-09, 09:36 PM   #52
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Officer won't be there until you have a trial -- that's the only time they need to be there.

15 over is 4 points (doubles to 8 since it sounds like you're probationary). File a Not Guilty plea or show up on the return date and plea not guilty (not sure how it works in Racine - call the clerk and ask).

Many communities will reduce the 15 over to a defective speedometer, a two point violation (4 if you double it). Not sure if that helps. They may only give you 1-10 over (3 points), which isn't as good.

If what ever the offer is won't keep your license, see if they will let you take a defensive driver's class in exchange for dismissing the ticket or giving you a no-point violation. Make sure they understand that its a safety school and not point reduction class. If that doesn't work, then you have to take point reduction class. You'll have to ask them to adjourn the case to allow you to complete it to get the points back (3 points). You can only use this every couple of years, so if you can avoid not using it now, avoid it!
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Old 10-08-09, 11:05 PM   #53
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Old 10-08-09, 11:35 PM   #54
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Not the 250. The 250 looked so ugly until the current generation. The current 250r looks like it's older ZX-6R brother.
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Old 10-08-09, 11:37 PM   #55
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Obviously my original intent was to explain that I have since changed my ways of driving. I no longer speed and am a cautious driver. Always.
I drive a spyder eclipse and the cops are always out to get me for it.
AND you give them lots to work with. 51 in a 35? You earned that one.

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The way I see it I didn't deserve this one and I am trying to fight my way out of it. I don't need to be lectured for the way I drive. I know when I go over 1mph over the posted limit it is speeding. I also know that the laws in my state are different from yours but they are always out to make you and I pay more money.
Yes, you DID deserve it. If you lose your license due to points, so be it. You have some lessons to learn, son. I think lecturing on your driving is exactly what you need.

YOU messed up. YOU need to take responsibility. YOU need to accept the consequences.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for you. Even if you like to think you've turned over a new leaf (which I doubt you have), you are still responsible for your past actions.

HTFU and take it like a man.
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Old 10-08-09, 11:40 PM   #56
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Old 10-08-09, 11:54 PM   #57
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Ms Incredible (on the forums) rides a Ducati. Are you going to tell her to enjoy her funeral as well? She enjoys the speed just as much as the OP.


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Old 10-09-09, 11:43 AM   #58
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Ms Incredible (on the forums) rides a Ducati. Are you going to tell her to enjoy her funeral as well? She enjoys the speed just as much as the OP.

She also has a lot more riding experience and self discipline, it would seem.
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Old 10-09-09, 12:04 PM   #59
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She also has a lot more riding experience and self discipline, it would seem.
I can vouch for that. Her daily commute is wannabe racers weekend joy ride.

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Old 10-09-09, 12:49 PM   #60
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I've been driving for 23 years, I've averaged getting pulled over for one thing or another once a year. This year I went to court and plead my case (expired tags) and won. Woo Hoo....I've only had to pay 4 or 5 tickets in my life the rest resulted in warnings of one type or another.

There's on section of interstate where I always do 40 mph over the speed limit, you just have to learn when to trust your spidy senses better.

Also there's no such thing as a speed trap. Considering your record the judge is prolly gonna say tough luck, off to school for you. Hell if they'll give a drunk a breathilizer device they should let you continue to tool around after 8 or 16 hours of training or something.
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Old 10-09-09, 01:32 PM   #61
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Things vary from state to state, but you might look into filing "no contest" when you show up for your court date. I did this after a few tickets back in 1990 in Texas. What it did was wipe off that ticket, but put you on probation. If you got another ticket in the next 12 months you got that old ticket PLUS the new one for good measure. Look into it.

Other than that, traffic school is the only other option that I know of. Do be polite at your court trial, perhaps mention not noticing the speed reduction and be up front (but not excessively blabby) about past tickets and ask about how to reduce this one with school or probabation so you can keep your license.
They call that a deferral program in Indiana where it is done by the county.
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Old 10-09-09, 03:39 PM   #62
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OP, you are an idiot. You've had your license for what, a year and a half? No matter how amazing of a driver you think you are, I can guarantee that you know pretty much nothing about how to drive safely and fast. Your score on your drivers' test is meaningless: those tests are a complete joke. The license test is easier than our test for citizenship, for crying out loud.

Let me point out everything you've done wrong so far:
1) You drive a sports car that is highly visible and looks fast even when it's standing still. Cops DO target fast looking and sporty cars. If you have a car like that, you're actually going to have to drive slower than people driving econoboxes to have an equal chance of getting ticketed. If you want to speed, get a completely forgettable-looking car. There are plenty of bland cars that actually handle quite well and have more than enough power to get you in trouble.

2) You have roughly 2 years of driving experience under your belt, yet your tone implies that you think you are an amazing driver. Be humble. Unless you have raced cars or go-karts from a young age, you are mostly likely a terrible driver. The fact that you already have multiple tickets screams out that your risk-reward part of your brain is EXTREMELY underdeveloped. You do not accurately assess the risks that driving presents, and are likely to do extremely stupid things without realizing just how dangerous your actions are.

3) If you understand how to avoid detection, it is possible to have a lot of illicit fun on public roads without getting caught. The key is knowing when you can get away with it, and when you can't. Based on the rate at which you are acquiring tickets, you have no clue how to avoid getting caught. If you are smart and observant, you will get fewer tickets.

Getting more than 1 ticket a year at your age is a red flag. You're doing something, possibly several somethings, very, very wrong. Figure out what they are and maybe you can keep your license. If not, I hope you get used to walking, riding, or using a motor scooter to get everywhere.
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Old 10-09-09, 05:33 PM   #63
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I think the OP wishes he did not even post this piece. He has not said a word other than he is buying a motorcycle. Well, at least if he speeds and crashes the motorcycle, chances are he won't be taking me with him.

I hate people who think the road is theirs. Yes I am a H8TER to these people, because they have taken several happy, much loved family members from us. . . while they get slapped hands basically.
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Old 10-09-09, 05:56 PM   #64
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I think the OP wishes he did not even post this piece. He has not said a word other than he is buying a motorcycle. Well, at least if he speeds and crashes the motorcycle, chances are he won't be taking me with him.
You sound so confident. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/c...lRi0DW6LZoE16L
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Old 10-09-09, 06:04 PM   #65
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They praise the guy on the motorcycle and make him a saint. Forget the cyclist. He only deserves the mere mention of his name and age. That only shows what names can do.
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I think the OP wishes he did not even post this piece. He has not said a word other than he is buying a motorcycle. Well, at least if he speeds and crashes the motorcycle, chances are he won't be taking me with him.

I hate people who think the road is theirs. Yes I am a H8TER to these people, because they have taken several happy, much loved family members from us. . . while they get slapped hands basically.
I think we've all did our share of "stupid" when we were young. I'm no exception. The trick is to quickly learn from your mistakes. Sounds like he's learning faster than I ever did.
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