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    Anthropology nerds, halp!

    I have to write this insane essay comparing two scholarly peer-reviewed articles for my Physical Anthropology class, it's due on the 29th .

    Anyway, my topic is on whether or not Neanderthals interbred with us, specifically, mtDNA evidence (or lack thereof.) I'm trying to learn what I can about the subject, but I've kind of hit a wall. I've been to wikipedia/google etc, not a lot of help there.

    Halp?

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    Send me a pic of that cute German girl and I'll halp!

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    She's in my English class, not my Anthropology class...and don't change the subject.

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    http://scienceinsociety.northwestern...olution-debate

    Now, this one, you'll need to go through your University system and use their subscribers service for, since that subscription cost is in your tuition:

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/550m0481300p1220/

    Look at searches for Neanderthal and replacement theory vs hybridization theory.
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    Have you read about the Mladeč bones? Unfortunately I'm not sure there's enough evidence there to say either way, either.

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    I don't remember hearing about that, Lamp, no, I decided not to go the morphology (?) route as it didn't seem there was consensus on that among scientists regarded Lahar*sp*child. Tattersal was like "no freaking way!" some other guy (I forgot his name) insisted the bones are from a hybrid.

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    pcad is all the proof I need of interbreeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redirekib View Post
    pcad is all the proof I need of interbreeding.
    BURN!

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    I remember seeing a documentary on the theory but I can't recall the network, probably Discovery. They had really cool recreations.
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    Try a search on Erik Trinkaus. I think he is working on the idea of Neanderthals being absorbed by Cro Magnon, ranther than going extinct. We share 95.5% of our DNA with N's.
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    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Try this: https://genographic.nationalgeograph...hic/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by danarnold View Post
    Try a search on Erik Trinkaus. I think he is working on the idea of Neanderthals being absorbed by Cro Magnon, ranther than going extinct. We share 95.5% of our DNA with N's.
    Trinkaus is the guy I was trying to think of, I watched a video in the library, I think it was a Nova one "Neanderthals on Trial" wow, what an eye opener.

    If my brain is working properly, having similar DNA is not always indicative of what you might think. I think we have more DNA in common with Chimps than Neanderthals, but all that indicates is the time in which our ancestors diverged, not that chimps are a subspecies of us, they are morphologically (or is it phenotypically?!) very different for us.

    Personally, I'm on the fence whether there was wide scale hybridization with Neanderthals, I can't even decide if the Out of Africa hypothesis is correct, or the multiregional model is the correct one.

    I've gone to see my instructor *twice* about this project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danarnold View Post
    Try a search on Erik Trinkaus. I think he is working on the idea of Neanderthals being absorbed by Cro Magnon, ranther than going extinct. We share 95.5% of our DNA with N's.
    humans share less than w/ Ns than w/ chimpanzees?

    http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicl...chimp_DNA.html


    mtDNA is only maternally inherited so cannot by itself provide evidence of hybridization. Human or Neandertal mtDNA combined w/ nuclear DNA unique to the other would illustrate hybridization.

    http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl..._ylo=&as_vis=0

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    I think so...I am still a n0ob so I get mixed up. I remember people think we're closely related to chimps because of the DNA so some scientist guy wanted to rename them as a subspecies of us, which is just silly. Man, I really need to dig out my notes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luddite View Post
    Personally, I'm on the fence whether there was wide scale hybridization with Neanderthals, I can't even decide if the Out of Africa hypothesis is correct, or the multiregional model is the correct one.
    Looking at DNA results will help w/ that too.

    http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/....081307.164258

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    You guys are awesome! It's gonna take me hours to read/print off etc all this stuff! Foo to the rescue.

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    FWIW, all modern humans alive today are descended from the African Diasporae
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    Can you define "diasporae" for me please? I forget what it means.

    You mean, going back farther than **** erectus? There seems to be a disagreement over whether **** sapiens came directly from Africa or evolved from **** Erectus in the "hearth" areas. My instructor said the fossil evidence doesn't support the recent out of africa hypothesis? I think my head is going to explode!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    FWIW, all modern humans alive today are descended from the African Diasporae
    Yeah, but what about the zombies??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luddite View Post
    Can you define "diasporae" for me please? I forget what it means.

    You mean, going back farther than **** erectus? There seems to be a disagreement over whether **** sapiens came directly from Africa or evolved from **** Erectus in the "hearth" areas. My instructor said the fossil evidence doesn't support the recent out of africa hypothesis? I think my head is going to explode!
    Diaspora is a scattering or mass migration outward, and the end with e signifies plurality.

    The major problem with the fossil record support or lack of, is that often, we aren't sure whether it's a parallel invention or spread through diffusion. Look at the current debate as to whether the Clovis and Folsom people and the similarity to the design of Solutrian Stone points from Europe.
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    By the way, are you going to cite the discussion in this thread?
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    Seriously? I am actually not sure exactly WHAT I am supposed to cite and what I'm NOT supposed to cite. I don't think I have to cite every little thing I've read/seen, but anything I quote from or ???. It is a very confusing assignment. I've been crapping bricks about it for awhile, and I aint the only one. We're supposed to write it as "Junior Scholars."

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    ASSIGNMENT

    Choose 2 or 3 articles on a given subject for comparison. Describe the hypothesis of each author, and how the thesis is supported. What data are presented, and are they methodologically rigorous? What inferences does each author draw from the material presented, and are the conclusions warranted? If your articles are from reputable journals, and are clearly written for professionals, you need only compare 2 articles. Minimum number of pages to be compared is 20.
    Your assignment should be 4-6 pages long, typed, and double-spaced, with a title page and cited references. Please come and see me at any time to verify that your choice of articles is appropriate, or to ask for my help in searching for good references.
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