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    NW Pilots who screwed up were on their laptops

    And "lost track of time".

    IMHO, at the very minimum, NW/Delta should suspend them... or fire them. There are plenty of competent pilots waiting in line to take their places.

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    So what? The passengers probably got a free drink and a free flight while the pilots got their email caught up.
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    But it was a haaaaawt video they were watching!!!
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    It is completely incredulous how these guys could overshoot the airport by 150 miles without noticing something was wrong. Doesn't the autopilot remind them that they are nearing their destination?
    Regardless, wouldn't they have had to start preparation of some sort? It doesn't take these planes that long to travel 150 miles, so one would think they would be close to starting a descent.

    At the very least they should be suspended for a couple of months. And what were they doing on their laptops anyway? Doofuses!!!
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    Surfing BF possibly?? Girls of Foo thread most likely....

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    They didn't tell the passengers that they were late - I am sure several people missed their connecting flights. Not to mention anyone who came to pick a passenger up would have to wait an extra hour. Pilot friend says this is pure incompetence - you get handed off from one control tower to the next. At least nobody was hurt, I suppose.
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    were they busy chasing balloon boy?

    give them a spot on the new reality tv show.
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    I'm sure the FAA is going to have their licenses at the minimum.

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    Hard to argue with those guys getting canned. I've missed frequency changes before but overflying your destination due to lack of situational awareness is a pretty gross error.
    Flying a jet is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redirekib View Post
    So what? The passengers probably got a free drink and a free flight while the pilots got their email caught up.
    I figure they were playing a networked game of Doom.

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    Problem was is that they were playing Flight Simulator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    I figure they were playing a networked game of Doom.
    My co-worker and I just decided that we'd fly more if they ran a quake/UT/CS/HL/(insert your fave FPS here) server on the planes and wired cat6 to all of the seats so we could play all of the other passengers.
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    I wonder if pilots get paid by mileage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aadhils View Post
    I wonder if pilots get paid by mileage...
    nope

    80 hours per month flightime salary, 3 hours overtime allowed(last I checked)

    150 miles might sound like a long way but it isn't, they were at FL370 doing somewhere around 500 knots, 150 miles would only be about 20 minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snicklefritz View Post
    It is completely incredulous how these guys could overshoot the airport by 150 miles without noticing something was wrong. Doesn't the autopilot remind them that they are nearing their destination?
    Regardless, wouldn't they have had to start preparation of some sort? It doesn't take these planes that long to travel 150 miles, so one would think they would be close to starting a descent.

    At the very least they should be suspended for a couple of months. And what were they doing on their laptops anyway? Doofuses!!!
    depends on how they set up their way points or if they did at all, they might have just set a heading and flown that

    but ya they should have started their descent which would take like 20-30 minutes from that altitude long before getting to their destination

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedex View Post
    depends on how they set up their way points or if they did at all, they might have just set a heading and flown that

    but ya they should have started their descent which would take like 20-30 minutes from that altitude long before getting to their destination
    Hadn't thought about that. I've never flown an Airbus but I would assume they were flying in LNAV and VNAV or whatever Airbus calls it. The Lateral navigation would probably revert to a heading hold function once they hit the last way point. (I'm assuming there was a gap or discontinuity between their last point on the arrival and the approach.) The vertical navigation would not fly away from whatever altitude they had set and keep the jet at cruising altitude if they did not set a lower altitude in the autopilot window. Either way, warnings probably would have appeared on the FMC display to prompt setting in a lower altitude or the discontinuity.

    Yep, they have some serious 'splainin' to do.
    Flying a jet is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jseis View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will G View Post
    Hadn't thought about that. I've never flown an Airbus but I would assume they were flying in LNAV and VNAV or whatever Airbus calls it. The Lateral navigation would probably revert to a heading hold function once they hit the last way point. (I'm assuming there was a gap or discontinuity between their last point on the arrival and the approach.) The vertical navigation would not fly away from whatever altitude they had set and keep the jet at cruising altitude if they did not set a lower altitude in the autopilot window. Either way, warnings probably would have appeared on the FMC display to prompt setting in a lower altitude or the discontinuity.

    Yep, they have some serious 'splainin' to do.
    oh they definitely would have had a warning on their instrument panel from the autopilot/nav control, dunno what it defaults to if you get to the end of the way point set, I would assume hold present heading and altitude as well

    It definitely wasn't a case of someone on the ground giving them a heading to fly, they flew too far for that and would have been handed off several times to other controllers. The article say they heard the radio but did not respond........they went a long way like that, 78 minutes !! So these guys went more than 600 miles without saying a peep on the radio and crossing over many control handoffs. Flying IFR, not sure what the FAA thinks about this but I am sure that alone is something that would warrant a conversation. Not sure what the policy is on that, can't be good. Eventually they will send someone up to take a look and see what's going on with your plane.

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    If you should happen to "get lost" in radio frequency land, there are a couple options: A) The pilots figure it out, look up a freq on the chart, and call Center and get directed to the correct frequency. B) The Center gets annoyed and calls on Guard (a frequency pretty much everyone should continuously monitor) . C) The Center calls the airline operations center and tells them to send the jet an ACARS (mini-teletype kind of thing) message with the correct frequency to call.

    I would think that all of this was going on plus the various warning messages from the onboard navigation computers. These guys had were crainially "up and locked."
    Flying a jet is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.

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    What's the problem?

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    that's why you always program in a holding pattern for your destination. So when you wake up you know where you are.(LOL)

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    We've all gotten tired at work, just like these pilots. Let's face it, sometimes you just have to crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    We've all gotten tired at work, just like these pilots. Let's face it, sometimes you just have to crash.

    Work? I thought your office was on your Cervelo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will G View Post

    Yep, they have some serious 'splainin' to do.
    I think they already did their 'splainin' when they told the FAA investigators they were using laptops while in the front seats. That they were honest and admitted that they broke the rules is probably the only thing that stands a chance of saving them from getting canned.

    But they willfully gave up situational awareness, including of calls from ATC. This is only half a step shy of last year's Mesa airlines incident where a flightcrew overflew their destination by 26 miles because they fell asleep...on a 40 minute flight. That one was in Hawaii and could have easily ended up with an aircraft out of fuel and far enough from land it couldn't have glided to a runway.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-incident.html


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    My co-worker and I just decided that we'd fly more if they ran a quake/UT/CS/HL/(insert your fave FPS here) server on the planes and wired cat6 to all of the seats so we could play all of the other passengers.
    The one time I flew Virgin America, I was amused to see their IFE sets had Doom. No multi-player though, the graphic quality was poor, it ran like a pig on the cheap hardware, and the remote was almost worthless as a controller. On the return flight, the entire IFE system crashed. It rebooted showing a custom version of Linux, which was really the most entertainment I got from it. IFE is a pretty useless gimmick.
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