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    Jury Duty Rants

    Since this subject somewhat hijacked the Mandeville case thread in road cycling, I thought I'd let the conversation continue in here where it belongs. Some thoughts I've had:

    I'm waiting for the day someone sues the court system for making them work for less than the state's minimum wage.

    They only pay us for mileage one-way. I am so tempted to serve for a day, then set up a sleeping bag on the bench in the hall and explain to the guard that they didn't give me enough money to go home today, but since I don't have to drive in tomorrow, I'll have enough to go home that day.

    People denied an excuse for financial hardship should be able to collect any coincidental late fees and penalties from the court system for anything they can not pay with the lost wages.


    So, share your complaints, stories, thoughts, rants, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
    I'm waiting for the day someone sues the court system for making them work for less than the state's minimum wage.

    Entitlement at it's finest. I would hope that said oppressed soul would win this case and be awarded with the monetary sum they desire only to find out that they must leave the jurisdiction (county state or country).


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    why don't you just express some really offensive prejudices and get htrown off the case?
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    Every employer I've worked for compensated me for days that I had jury duty. Their policies were to compensate for a full day's pay, less what I received from the court, but every one of them paid me for the entire day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
    So, share your complaints, stories, thoughts, rants, etc.
    I don't care what I was or was not paid.

    I'm happy to have been a part of a legal system that, in my experience, works the way it should. YMMV.
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    I won't say the financial rewards are very...rewarding, but that's not the point. The point is to ensure the proper functioning of our justice system, whereby any person who desires it can be granted the opportunity of trial before a jury of their peers.

    It's not a job. It's a civic duty. The judge who briefed us when I had jury duty pointed out that while there are a lot of things the government (we) tell us (ourselves) not to do, there are very few things they (we) actually demand us (ourselves) to do. Jury duty is one. Males registering for the draft is another.

    The one time I've had jury duty so far, I came really close to being selected for a grand jury, which would have been a month-long, full-time commitment. The odds were pretty slim. My county calls in something like 20 groups of jurors per month (here you only serve for one day unless your case goes longer), so the odds were already against me being there on grand jury day. Then to be picked as one of 30 candidates out of ~300 jurors was doubly bad luck.

    Fortunately, I wasn't selected, although if I had been, my employer was one of those conscientious businesses that would have continued to pay me during my time of civic service, minus the county stipend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    I don't care what I was or was not paid.

    I'm happy to have been a part of a legal system that, in my experience, works the way it should. YMMV.
    I won't say I'm happy to be, but I am happy the system is in place and will willfully do my part to keep it functional.
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    Wow, must be a lot of privileged people here. I always serve and I don't complain about the money because I get paid by my employer. However, some of you seem to have never known what it is like to literally live paycheck to paycheck. I feel that if someone needs their normal pay to pay their bills, they shouldn't be denied that right. They should still do their civic duty, but they shouldn't be penalized for it. No credit agency is going to say "that's ok, you can skip your bill this month because you were doing your civic duty".

    Coasting, my problem with that is it wastes the time of those of us who are willing to serve... and of the court employees, attorneys, parties, etc. If you're going to do that, at least make it entertaining enough to be worth my while.
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    I'm lucky, I will never serve again because from now on I plan on being honest and speaking up... I don't believe the system works; too many people are prejudice or lazy and won't do the right thing when the time comes. I sat through 3 very horrible trials... all I can say is most of the jurors were absolute idiots. Just my personal opinion and experiment but I hope never to serve again.

    BTW the money was never an issue because my employer pays. I would gladly serve if jurors weren't idiots!
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    Just because the people are idiots doesn't mean the system doesn't work.

    just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
    Wow, must be a lot of privileged people here. I always serve and I don't complain about the money because I get paid by my employer. However, some of you seem to have never known what it is like to literally live paycheck to paycheck. I feel that if someone needs their normal pay to pay their bills, they shouldn't be denied that right. They should still do their civic duty, but they shouldn't be penalized for it. No credit agency is going to say "that's ok, you can skip your bill this month because you were doing your civic duty".

    Coasting, my problem with that is it wastes the time of those of us who are willing to serve... and of the court employees, attorneys, parties, etc. If you're going to do that, at least make it entertaining enough to be worth my while.
    I didn't mean to completely ignore that part of your post. I agree there should be exceptions. I thought the processes in place were sufficient, but I'm not personally very familiar with them, especially in other counties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    Just because the people are idiots doesn't mean the system doesn't work.

    just sayin'.
    Explain how it works when jurors are idiots... I am curious.
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    Yee Haw....my hospital pays me my regular rate to be on Jury Duty. Life is grand, I've always enjoyed jury duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    Explain how it works when jurors are idiots... I am curious.
    "the system" guarantees you a jury of your peers. If your peers are idiots, that does not indicate a fault in the justice system - it indicates a fault in the homestead selection process.

    You aren't guaranteed a trial by a "jury of the most intelligent, rational individuals ever to have graced the US of A".

    Don't forget - you can always waive your sixth (or seventh) amendment rights.
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    Here's my idea on what would be a lot more fair to jurors, and almost as equitable to defendants:

    You get the first 12 names picked out of the pool - only people who know one of the people involved in the case get off. No peremptory challenges. Hardship cases can protest by mail. In my experience, they could inconvenience about 1/4 as many people as they do now, and when they do get called - they'll almost certainly serve instead of just wasting time listening to a bunch of lame excuses and stupid questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    Explain how it works when jurors are idiots... I am curious.
    The defendant has the right to choose if they would like their trial to be conducted by peers or a judge.

    Rather than go into detail myself, I'll just give you what users have contributed to the wikipedia article as a start:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_b...#Pros_and_cons

    You should also know that it is not the role of a jury to determine the application of the law. That's the judge's role in a jury trial, and his required expertise. The jury's role is to determine what the facts are after being presented with claims from both sides.

    The fact that people are idiots is part of why the plaintiff and defendant or their representatives are both allowed to perform the final screening of a jury. If those who have a stake in the decision are satisfied with those making it, then certainly those chosen should accept it and simply try to do their best.
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    My current employer pays, but not all that I've had do. This was an especially large factor at low paying jobs.

    I don't think much of the process because you can literally be called to wait for nothing. If you have the sort of job where other people count on you, they're screwed. The impact of a missed day varies drastically from one person to the next.

    On the other hand, you don't want juries that are composed entirely of people who have nothing better to do. I find it hard to imagine that would achieve a better result.

    However, the compensation is simply an effin' insult. There is absolutely no way that it can be said to offset the real expenses any normal person would incur while serving. There is no way that any of the people who are forcing you to be there would fulfill their role for anywhere near that amount.

    They should just pay zero and say it's your duty or actually pay something that might reasonably help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    Explain how it works when jurors are idiots... I am curious.
    This!


    I served in a jury where the defendants were the Big Three automakers here in the states. It was obvious they were not at fault when the empirical evidence was shown to the jury. However we had some idiot jury members that felt the big three had big pockets and should just pay the plaintiff (I’m sure the tax payers are now paying for this lawsuit now). We also had two jury members that voted for the plaintiffs’ side because if we finished by lunch (had the 8 votes necessary); they would have half the day off from work. It was such a waste of time and tax payers’ money. I will never ever serve jury duty again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by banerjek View Post
    They should just pay zero and say it's your duty or actually pay something that might reasonably help.
    and how would you determine the latter?

    what would "reasonably help" someone else in my county would be a raindrop in a lake for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by couch_incident View Post
    I served in a jury where the defendants were the Big Three automakers here in the states. It was obvious they were not at fault when the empirical evidence was shown to the jury. However we had some idiot jury members that felt the big three had big pockets and should just pay the plaintiff (I’m sure the tax payers are now paying for this lawsuit now). We also had two jury members that voted for the plaintiffs’ side because if we finished by lunch (had the 8 votes necessary); they would have half the day off from work. It was such a waste of time and tax payers’ money. I will never ever serve jury duty again.
    what, and you just sat there and let them have their way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    what, and you just sat there and let them have their way?
    Well, I did threaten to set the couch in the jury room on fire but the judge was a smart man and took my matches away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    what, and you just sat there and let them have their way?
    Civil case = simple majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
    Civil case = simple majority.
    So then the majority of the jury just sat there and did nothing. Gotcha.

    What was it Burke said?
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
    So, share your complaints, stories, thoughts, rants, etc.
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