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    Counterfeit items

    Without making this P and R material, I'd like to hear your comments in regards to purchasing or selling counterfeit items. I'm not talking about copies or look alikes, but rather items that carry the logo or name of a reputable company.
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    I think it's theft.

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    Ummm.... It's wrong?

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    Do you mean perfect counterfeits or just 'close' (Romex watches...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    Do you mean perfect counterfeits or just 'close' (Romex watches...)
    I was thinking of the Soni stereos I saw a report on once...20/20 or 60 minutes.
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    Do you own and wear a shirt with an image of Bob Marley on it? Beware.

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    Toronto firm gets up, stands up for Bob Marley trademark rights

    Late reggae legend's brand 'could be bigger than Elvis,' CEO says

    In the heart of Toronto's financial district, one private equity firm has landed a gig to crack down on counterfeiters using the image of the most famous reggae musician the world has known.

    Faced with a global black market of Bob Marley goods, the Jamaican reggae legend's family turned to Hilco Consumer Capital to regain control of the late musician's image.
    Marley's relatives entrusted Hilco's Toronto-based CEO Jamie Salter to broker licensing deals and crack down on bootlegs.

    In an interview from Miami this week, Cedilla Marley told CBC News her family found Salter a natural fit to protect her father's legacy.
    "We heard Canadians do it better," she said with a laugh. "We think Jamie is just a great guy, his whole team.… We've always been a family that goes after gut instincts."
    Hilco estimates Marley's image might bring in about $1 billion worldwide every year.
    "We feel very strongly that this brand could be bigger than Elvis Presley," Salter said.
    Marley's image has been a pot of gold to the counterfeit industry — until now, Salter said. He said there's already been trademark enforcement success in Britain and south of the border.
    "Two major retailers in the United States already, they have pulled their goods off the shelves," Salter told CBC News.
    'We're not looking at the flea market guy'

    Through his life and his music, Marley emerged as an icon of free expression, justice and spirituality. Some have bristled at the prospect of his counterculture legacy as an artist being turned into a brand empire.
    But his daughter said fans of the legend believe in his lifestyle, and would want to support the family's efforts.
    'It's not going to be something is that is just like, my dad's face is on everything. We're way more creative than that.' —Cedilla Marley, daughter of reggae legend Bob Marley
    "We try not to make mistakes, and that's why it's taken us this long even to venture out to find someone to help us, because we've always held it close to our hearts," Cedilla Marley said. "It was important to find somebody that would have the same devotion we have to his legacy."
    Marley's legacy also is heavily associated with marijuana, but Salter said there was "no interest" in pursuing products linked with its use.
    "Even if marijuana was legalized, we've talked about it, would we do anything on the Marley side, and the answer is no," he said.
    But a glimpse of head shops and a poster store on a strip in Canada's largest city shows just how extensive the counterfeiting is.
    Keenan Marr Tamblyn works behind the counter of the World of Posters store on Toronto's famed Yonge Street, where teens and Bob Marley fans can buy smoking paraphernalia, T-shirts, pictures and plenty of stuff with the musician's image emblazoned on it.
    "We have Bob Marley everything, I would say," Tamblyn told CBC News.
    Marley's daughter said the family's approach is not aimed at small merchants, but larger bootlegging factories in China and India, as well as the U.S.
    "We've always said, 'Come to us, and we'll do a licence and that way, you're legit,'" she said.
    "We're not looking at the flea market guy; we're looking at the guy who's printing for the person who's selling in the flea market."
    The family is planning a line of products to mark what would have been Marley's 65th birthday next year, as well as a chain of cafés themed with the Marley motto, One Love. "It's not going to be something that is just like, my dad's face is on everything," Marley said. "We're way more creative than that."

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    True counterfeits are theft.
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    Some sort of pithy irrelevant one-liner should go here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
    True counterfeits are theft.
    What if its a counterfeit counterfeit? Not theft then?
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    I ordered a bike from BD, does that count?
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    I sometimes make counterfeit poo.


    (Just fulfilling the sex or poo quota for this thread - thank you).
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    I was at a family reuinion years ago. One of the uncles, an attorney, gave my dad a watch. He represents the Chinese company that makes and imports these knock off/fake Rolexes. This was a legimate - illegal knock off. I didn't know what to say. An attorney? He knows the law right? Not only is it illegal to sell counterfeit products its unethical and immoral. Yet... I know lots of women walking around with fake Gucci or Louis Vuitton bags. So glad I never cared about designer, even fake designer stuff. Not only would I not buy a counterfeit product I also would not buy one that trades on the look of another product, i.e. infringing on trade dress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    Do you mean perfect counterfeits or just 'close' (Romex watches...)
    I'm referring to Coach bags with the Coach name and logo on it. Very close to what the real bags look like except with lower grade materials and prices that are a fraction of what the genuine item sells for.

    Watches from China with the Rolex name, glass time markers vs diamond and gold colored coating vs. real gold.

    Things that are sold with the intent of fooling the public into thinking they got a bargain on a genuine article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
    Things that are sold with the intent of fooling the public into thinking they got a bargain on a genuine article.
    Siu... you know there is a growing market on people who purposely buy counterfeits - they can brag they own a LV bag but pay half the price...
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    I had a Chinese friend of mine once tell me that if I ever saw a Chinese person wearing North Face stuff, that it's probably counterfeit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
    I'm referring to Coach bags with the Coach name and logo on it. Very close to what the real bags look like except with lower grade materials and prices that are a fraction of what the genuine item sells for.

    Watches from China with the Rolex name, glass time markers vs diamond and gold coating vs. real gold.

    Things that are sold with the intent of fooling the public into thinking they got a bargain on a genuine article.
    My youngest is like a Coach (and just about any other hand bag) expert! The flea market I go to sells bags and gives you the option of what name you want on it! no bull****! They dig your prefered brand name out of a bag and crimp it right onto your bag! Reason these people get away with it is because the authorities really don't do much, OK, every once in a while they'll bust a small time seller just to make themselves look good, but they let it go for what ever reason, just like the black market DVD's. (cha ching! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post
    I'm referring to Coach bags with the Coach name and logo on it. Very close to what the real bags look like except with lower grade materials and prices that are a fraction of what the genuine item sells for.

    Watches from China with the Rolex name, glass time markers vs diamond and gold coating vs. real gold.

    Things that are sold with the intent of fooling the public into thinking they got a bargain on a genuine article.
    I wonder if one could make a fake rolex for $4k that really looked like a $10k one, with an actual self-winding clockwork mechanism, and sell it for $5k. That seems more deceitful/criminal than selling for $5-$20 a watch with a Rolex label that clearly has a quartz movement.

    I wonder if the fake couture items would be as easy to spot as the difference between a $20 watch and $10k watch vs a $5k watch/$10k watch.

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    I would never pay 10 gran for a watch! One Christmas my brother in law gave me a $300.00 watch and made it a point to let me know the cost! So I asked him if he wanted to buy it for $200.00! (he didn't think it was funny.)
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    Siu... you know there is a growing market on people who purposely buy counterfeits - they can brag they own a LV bag but pay half the price...
    Indeed. But in terms of quality, I'm sure they don't last as long and are soon tossed into the trash. Of course then they can be the talk of the town every time a NEW bag is spotted on their shoulder.
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    The brand name manufacturers all claim that counterfeiting harms the consumer. They're wrong. Counterfeits only hurt the maker not the buyer so long as the buyer knows that they are not paying full price for a real/true copy/item.

    If the manufacturer would make a cheaper product, people would buy that instead. However, that would "lower" the market price on the higher end product (which costs about the same to produce as the cheap version) and there wouldn't be as much profit margin.

    It's all about money, economics, and market share. It's not about protecting the consumer. Never was, never will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    I wonder if one could make a fake rolex for $4k that really looked like a $10k one, with an actual self-winding clockwork mechanism, and sell it for $5k. That seems more deceitful/criminal than selling for $5-$20 a watch with a Rolex label that clearly has a quartz movement.

    I wonder if the fake couture items would be as easy to spot as the difference between a $20 watch and $10k watch vs a $5k watch/$10k watch.
    Okay let's kick it down to something not as luxurious. Check this out. Here's a picture of a counterfeit, which looks pretty darn good.








    But because I know my Benchmades, I can see that the logo is not right and the lock is wrong for that model number as well as the blade configuration. The liners are of lower quality metal because you can see the scuff marks inside as well as it being an indication of poor fit and finish. The thumb studs are also wrong as well as lack of reversible clip mounts.

    Here's an authentic Benchmade.



    This is a $165 knife that someone will call the first knife a deal if they can get it for $125.

    The first one will past muster to those who are new to knives and would like to have a Benchmade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
    The brand name manufacturers all claim that counterfeiting harms the consumer. They're wrong. Counterfeits only hurt the maker not the buyer so long as the buyer knows that they are not paying full price for a real/true copy/item.

    If the manufacturer would make a cheaper product, people would buy that instead. However, that would "lower" the market price on the higher end product (which costs about the same to produce as the cheap version) and there wouldn't be as much profit margin.

    It's all about money, economics, and market share. It's not about protecting the consumer. Never was, never will be.
    I don't know, ever time we go to Puerto Rico we stop in at the Coach outlet? in old San Juan, my daughter ALWAYS comes out with more than a few items at very decent prices.
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
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    No, Bikes Direct has purchased the rights to manufacture bikes and apply the brand names to them.
    I was hoping to get a rise out of someone, but a legit answer is nice, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    I wonder if one could make a fake rolex for $4k that really looked like a $10k one, with an actual self-winding clockwork mechanism, and sell it for $5k. That seems more deceitful/criminal than selling for $5-$20 a watch with a Rolex label that clearly has a quartz movement.

    I wonder if the fake couture items would be as easy to spot as the difference between a $20 watch and $10k watch vs a $5k watch/$10k watch.
    Not so easy anymore as "replica" is the goal nowadays. A $100 replica Rolex will actually have parts that interchange with the real thing and require actual Rolex service tools to open. Every last part is replicated with high-precision, even the self-winding mechanism. The days of Rolex are over anyway. I prefer Patek Philippe. There's a reason it's not worth it for counterfeiters to copy.

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