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    (Geek) All-in-one PC's

    I'm starting to see a few more of these machines being offered. I believe that Apple has the market share in this segment, but funding is tight, so Mac is a no can do. And this isn't about which brand is better.

    I know that from a hardware standpoint, allin1's don't make sense because you really can't do much (if any) tweaking/upgrading. But I think that more of these things will go mainstream.

    A lot of people migrated from desktops to laptops. The main reason was portability. However, most people end up tethered to an electrical outlet anyway. Add to that the advent of the netbooks, that are for the most part just as capable, only in a smaller, lighter, longer battery life version.

    Since the uniqueness of the laptop is starting to wane (for me anyways), and I don't want to go back to the cabling nightmare that was my last desktop (some 10 years ago), I'm thinking about trying one of those all in one's.

    I looked at one over the weekend. Since the CPU is mounted to the back of the LCD, and I didn't see any seams, I wondering if:

    -Possible to run a secondary monitor if the primary fails (assuming the port is there)?
    -Possible to use the LCD with an external HD if the main CPU fails?
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    Quote Originally Posted by no1mad View Post
    -Possible to run a secondary monitor if the primary fails (assuming the port is there)?
    Some do have monitor-out ports that could be used with a second monitor.

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    -Possible to use the LCD with an external HD if the main CPU fails?
    This one isn't possible.

    Now, there are some intriguing fake all-in-ones out there that involve bolting a mini-PC onto the mounting plate of a large flatpanel. That would achieve both things you're asking about.
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    Lord, it's an LCD re-imagining of the Gateway Astro.

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    All in ones are a bad idea if your budget is tight. For the PC industry they're more of an experiment. As for going towards mainstream, their designs are typically flawed so unless they get their act together and stop using Apple as a benchmark, they won't really be making much progress.

    If you REALLY want an all-in-one; I'm sure you can find good deals on Apple's refurbished store.

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    The main reason that they appeal to me is their form. Apparently a shared power supply (one power cord), integrated speakers (no wires there), bigger display than a laptop.

    They may be an experiment, but I think that the form is the way of the future for the average (non-tech) user. Less cables to mess with/pets to chew/kids to play with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
    Now, there are some intriguing fake all-in-ones out there that involve bolting a mini-PC onto the mounting plate of a large flatpanel. That would achieve both things you're asking about.
    ^^^ Good idea.

    I'm into mini computers, meaning small footprint. They utilize a standard and upgradeable CPU, standard RAM and have all the connections most folks need...just not a ton of them. The board is a miniITX form factor, and to give you an idea how small that is, I have one running a Core2Duo, 4GB RAM, RAID0 SATA laptop drives, an ATI X1550 graphics card, slotloading DVD burner, a multi-cardreader, RAID0 Compact Flash drives and even an extra 2.5" drive for archives...and it all fits into a cube case less than 8" in every dimension. Oh, and it's internally watercooled.
    Here it is with another Aopen SFF (small form factor) PC on top of it about the size of a Mac mini:



    My shop computer is less fancy, but the case is about 5"X8"X12" and fits nicely under the desk. It's nearly dead silent, power efficient (about 35W) and drives a dual monitor setup.

    Most all-in-ones are about as upgradeable as a laptop (meaning they have a proprietary motherboard, so they're not), take up about as much room as my mini and often have very weak specs. I honestly don't get why anyone would want one.
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    As far as I know, neither the Dell XPS One series (which aren't any cheaper than iMacs, anyways) nor the Sony Vaio JS (which start at $850) nor the Vaio L-Series have outputs for external monitors.

    Unless there are other All-in-Ones out there, then iMac is the choice for external monitor lovers. An additional adapter cable is necessary.

    As for using the LCD portion of your All-in-one after some type of CPU failure, well, that depends on how much gets taken down. I see the Sony Vaio L-series has HDMI input and RCA input if you're not too picky about resolution.

    My best guess is about 20% chance of using the LCD portion of an All-In-One if it gets to a point where it won't run on its own.

    Seems like I read about 21" laptops somewhere recently, can't recall where, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
    As far as I know, neither the Dell XPS One series (which aren't any cheaper than iMacs, anyways) nor the Sony Vaio JS (which start at $850) nor the Vaio L-Series have outputs for external monitors.

    Unless there are other All-in-Ones out there, then iMac is the choice for external monitor lovers. An additional adapter cable is necessary.
    This one has DVI out.

    This one has HDMI.
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    There ya go, OP. The Asus seems OK. Just the name Averatec scares me...
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    Here's a whole list.
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    Dell Vostro with separate LCD-monitor for $400. Similar specs on an HP TouchSmart AIO is $1400 or iMac about $1100. Personally, if I had to chose based upon budget, I'd go with the Dell.

    Please note that the Pentium Dual-Core is at the bottom rung in the Core2Duo line-up, similar to the Celerons during the NetBurst-P4 era. The Atom is about 1/2 the processing-power at the same GHz rating as the Core2Duo line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannoXYZ View Post
    Dell Vostro with separate LCD-monitor for $400. Similar specs on an HP TouchSmart AIO is $1400 or iMac about $1100. Personally, if I had to chose based upon budget, I'd go with the Dell.

    Please note that the Pentium Dual-Core is at the bottom rung in the Core2Duo line-up, similar to the Celerons during the NetBurst-P4 era. The Atom is about 1/2 the processing-power at the same GHz rating as the Core2Duo line.
    Since you didn't provide a link for that Dell, I went a searching for it. Seems to be a laptop (mind you, I'm having network connectivity issues and unable to view Dell's site), which would mean a docking type scenario. No thanks.

    Setting the general appeal aside, I'll tell you why I'm interested specifically: One power cord and minimal real estate taken up.
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    I used to think Dell laptops were good deals. Made the mistake of recommending one to a friend just about two years ago. She wound up getting one and is now experiencing the 18-month self-destruct that was built in to the Dell Vostro 1500.

    More stories like it are here.
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    What about one of these?



    It had a whopping 8K of memory. I could never figure out what those rich people were doing with their 16K machines.

    I had one. It was my first computer. I loved it. I really wish I had not sold it.
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    PET was the second PC I was on, and the first all-in-one I was on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by no1mad View Post
    Since you didn't provide a link for that Dell, I went a searching for it. Seems to be a laptop (mind you, I'm having network connectivity issues and unable to view Dell's site), which would mean a docking type scenario. No thanks.

    Setting the general appeal aside, I'll tell you why I'm interested specifically: One power cord and minimal real estate taken up.
    Sorry, they seem to be overusing the Vostro name. Here's the link to Dell Vostro 220 + Windows 7 Pro + 18.5" LCD monitor - $409. With a 2.9ghz Core2duo CPU, this is some serious computing-power for the price.

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    I see all in one PCs used in two places: The first, crowded dorm rooms with dodgy roommates. Generally, laptops work in this environment, but all in ones tend to have more power available, better graphics, while being able to be locked down.

    The second use are places where style is important. For looks over everything else, nothing beats an all in one over a conventional PC and monitor setup. And in some businesses, having the image is more important than the actual computing power. I know some places which buy everyone iMacs for their front line telephone operators even though the boxes run Windows just because iMacs look cooler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    Lord, it's an LCD re-imagining of the Gateway Astro.
    Which was a putty re-imagining of the Tray-loading iMacs, which were a color screen re-imagining of the very first Macs, which were a ...
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    In the OP's situation, I'd just get a laptop, plunk it onto a laptop stand to elevate it to monitor height, plug in a mouse & keyboard, and there ya go. And obviously you can also use it as a laptop any time you want to.

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    Well, this is the one for me (if I can come up w/$). I got to play with one at the store. Picture and sound were good for me.
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