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    Touchscreen phone users

    Would you still like them if you didn't the use the prerequisite premium data service?
    And, how scratch resistant are those screens?

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    I have an I-phone. I don't think scratching is likely unless you use a screwdriver.

    With premium Data, it would still be a great phone.

    Kinda like an old PALM but with a phone. Or like an old Treo.
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    i don't think i would like my iphone without the data plan.
    However, it depends on how you're planning to use it, since most of these phones support wifi and that might be sufficient for you.

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    I have the LG Dare from Verizon and I could not get the phone without the data plan. The phone is okay. The touch screen can be a little sensitive at times - the phone will frequently unlock the touchscreen itself when it's in my purse bumping against things. I have had the phone almost a year and there are no scratches on the screen.
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    Just put screen protectors (which you replace monthly) and scratching is a nonissue. However, get a couple drops of water on the screen and it's effin useless

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    Had to run a few errands and now back. Good to hear about the resistance to scratching across the board (so far).

    I asked because my oldest is having phone issues (power cycling) with her LG Rumor. She wants a touchscreen ("it's shiny"). She's currently on the family plan, but when she goes off to college, we are spinning that line off onto it's own individual plan. All touchscreens, regardless of carrier, up until now required a mandatory data plan which can get pricey depending on finances. Motorola just launched one that does not require a data plan just to use the phone. The oldest would be able to drop the premium service to save $$ if necessary and still be able to use it as a basic phone.

    The fact that my wife is eligible for a 15% discount on hardware and service doesn't hurt either.

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    I prefer Crackberry. My mom has an iPhone, I don't much care for it.

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    I have a Google Android G1. If I didn't have the data plan, I wouldn't have the phone.

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    I have the Eternity by Samsung. Had to buy the package, and the phone does what it's supposed to do. To be honest, I really didn't need something so fancy but I got it because it was the cheapest with internet, not because of the touch screen. I have a screen saver cover on mine so I don't know the durability of the actual screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gitarzan View Post
    I have an I-phone. I don't think scratching is likely unless you use a screwdriver.
    I don't think you're trying hard enough. Have you tried an icepick?
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    Well, I went to the local carrier store (not an authorized agent), and played with it a little. It responds to heat, not just touch. Might be a deal breaker if gloves have to be removed.

    I did find a Samsung that doesn't require data plan. No discount with this carrier, but it looks like their plans are just a bit cheaper than the provider that is offering the new Motorola.

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    I love my blackberry curve & would not swap it out for a touch screen. one of my employees has touch screen blackberry & I wouldn't care for it. I like it nice and small, My Blackberry I mean
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    What is the advantage of getting a smartphone without a data plan?

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    Not much. It's just there are some features/apps that don't really need network connectivity to run. Previously, one had to pay an additional fee for premium service just to be able to use the phone to make a call. If someone fell on hard times financially, they had to somehow come up with the full amount every month, or lose their service. Now it looks like that providers are getting smarter and offering all inclusive as well as basic + carte blanche (sp?).

    That basic+ is what I'm looking at for the family now, and the oldest in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no1mad View Post
    Well, I went to the local carrier store (not an authorized agent), and played with it a little. It responds to heat, not just touch.
    Which is a real issue if you're cycling in the winter and your fingers are so cold you can't feel them -- particularly if it raining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    What is the advantage of getting a smartphone without a data plan?
    Often, you'll have a wifi connection you can use.

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    I have an iPhone with data plan for about a year now. The phone's screen is still pristine, even though I have not been terribly careful with it. Nevertheless, if I had a choice, I probably wouldn't go with the iPhone again for business-centric uses (and this is coming from a Mac user since the Plus). Why?
    1. The touchscreen isn't really a good input interface if you have fat fingers. The auto-correct feature helps but I still type significant slower than my two-thumb Crackberry.
    2. For some inexplicable reason, after the most recent firmware update, my 3G iPhone felt really sluggish. I can sometimes overwhelm the phone with my typing, and I don't type fast (see point #1).
    3. Similar to point #2, after the firmware update, the phone also seems to lock up a few times a day. Each time, it won't respond for about a dozen seconds, and then just as suddenly, everything is back to normal.
    4. But at least points #2 & #3 are better than before the firmware update. Back then, the phone will basically run down the battery in half a day when it runs into a connection problem with my email server. Unless I'm vigilant about checking to see if my emails are coming through, I will have no juice after about 2pm from a fully-charged battery at 7am. The solution is to hard-reset the thing. This got really old after a week.


    The iPhone is really useful in ways a Crackberry can't even start to compete. For example,

    1. It reads/views common file formats (PDF, DOC, XLS, etc) very well. (better than a Crackberry anyways)
    2. If you're into games, there're more games available for the iPhone than you can shake a stick at.
    3. Many companies (Fedex, BofA, etc) are offering very useful iPhone apps for free. For example, I can snipe on eBay with my iPhone anywhere, anytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    I don't think you're trying hard enough. Have you tried an icepick?
    That worked!!!!!

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    Well, the list of potentials has somewhat settled down. Due to budget constraints, it looks like it will either be the Motorola Crush or the LG Bliss. The Motorola has the edge in overall cost of ownership due to the fact a premium data plan is not required. But it won't be for me, nor will I be the one footing the bill.

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    I still have the first version of the iphone I got two years ago. I work outdoors and have it with me all the time and use it with my dirty hands and yet it still looks great and the screen is fine. I keep it in a little leather sleeve. I've dropped it dozens upon dozens of times. At this point I wouldn't want to live without it.

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    I just got a Motorola Droid and so far really like it. I wouldn't have bothered getting more than a phone without a data plan; to me it makes no sense, even with wifi. The screen seems pretty sturdy, but in two years, we'll see.

    Quote Originally Posted by no1mad
    Motorola just launched one that does not require a data plan just to use the phone.
    It's not up to the device manufacturer to determine if a plan is required... it's up to the carrier. US Cellular may not require it, but if it were on Verizon, they might.
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    My first touch screen I didn't have a problem with. I still have it. It is 15+ years old. It was a Simon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Simon


    I just bought my wife and I our first iPhone's (3Gs). I am in the business and I have been in the business for 20+ years. This is by far the coolest phone evar!

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    I've been using a LG Dare for 18 months now - had to replace the battery after 14 months - but I find this phone to be a pain in the a--! The touch screen is either too sensitive, or not sensitive enough. Scrolling is a nightmare, and because of that, using alot of the browser aps is difficult.

    But it IS shiny!!

    Oh - 1 scratch on the face: it took a skittering slide across about 15 feet of concrete when it flew out of my son's jersey pocket during a bike crash. It has a little scratch across the top that you have to really look for. I have found LG phones to be REALLY sturdy.
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    Just a few thoughts from one who's used smart phones for years now.

    On the first note, "smart phones" can be used without data plans, or even cell service. They just become a nifty PDA. That said:
    1. +1 on the screen protectors. There's even a whole phone protective film called "invisi-shield" (or something like that) that is custom cut for your phone. About $30 or so.
    2. Verizon allows you to have a smart phone with a non data plan. But the catch is you have to provide your own phone for it to be "grandfathered" in. If you purchase a phone from them, you have to have the data plan.
    3. Get a phone with wifi, then whether you have the data plan or not your daughter can get online.

    But things to think about.
    - Texting is usually easier, whether it's with a keyboard or on screen vs. number keys.
    - Media play back, pretty good if using head phones (but some phones require adapters to use them) but quite lousy if trying to listen outloud.
    - Web surfing pretty much stinks. It's good in a pinch, but most websites aren't phone friendly for doing lots of surfing.
    - Calendars and schedules are easier to keep if you can sync them with a computer
    - Smartphones are typically bigger, heavier and bulkier to haul around compared to flip phones
    - battery life is way less than flip phones.

    So I guess it would depend on what your daughter really wants to do with it. Other than watch it shine. You could pick one up in very good condition online pretty cheap, not be locked into a data plan and give it a try.

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    I started this to help my daughter pick a new phone. She's seriously into messaging (over 16k in one month) and needs the full qwerty keyboard. She's not fixated on the virtual keyboard of the touchscreen, however. She just wants to try one because of the form factor. After doing some hands-on research, I think that my next phone just might be a touchscreen, albeit a lower end one, since I don't need the productivity apps or the social networking ones.

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