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Old 11-27-09, 06:48 PM   #1
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RIP John Jones

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Old 11-27-09, 06:53 PM   #2
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Am I supposed to be sad that a guy who purposely engaged in a very dangerous activity was killed by it?
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2,000,000 points for your response.

The guy should have been on a bike.
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Darwinism at work.
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My only problem with this situation is that now they're planning on sealing the cave...

Up to six groups of people a day exploring the cave with no problems... one person dies, they seal it off forever.

I hate people.
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Old 11-28-09, 03:19 AM   #7
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My only problem with this situation is that now they're planning on sealing the cave...

Up to six groups of people a day exploring the cave with no problems... one person dies, they seal it off forever.

I hate people.
Yeah, they're missing the opportunity to sell tickets to view John's skeleton.
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all of you should read the article before making such sad remarks, the guy was doing what he loved to do and died doing it, we as cyclist are no different, so I guess the next time someone you guys know dies while riding his/her bike we can say the same about them.
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all of you should read the article before making such sad remarks, the guy was doing what he loved to do and died doing it, we as cyclist are no different, so I guess the next time someone you guys know dies while riding his/her bike we can say the same about them.
You can post my death in the cave spunking news.
I am sure that they all would greive...Haha

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I feel for this guy.
He was a slow rider like me.

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I am saddened by his death, too, but sealing off the whole cave to make it a final resting place is grossly unfair to everyone else. The one passage, maybe, but not the whole cave. That is like closing a whole freeway when one person dies on it.
I actually expect that it will be re-opened in a few years, later the bones will be removed and the whole thing opened again.
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Lousy way to die
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all of you should read the article before making such sad remarks, the guy was doing what he loved to do and died doing it, we as cyclist are no different, so I guess the next time someone you guys know dies while riding his/her bike we can say the same about them.
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I am saddened by his death, too, but sealing off the whole cave to make it a final resting place is grossly unfair to everyone else. The one passage, maybe, but not the whole cave. That is like closing a whole freeway when one person dies on it.
I actually expect that it will be re-opened in a few years, later the bones will be removed and the whole thing opened again.
Apparently there are 4-5 caves in the immediate vicinity and all the others were permanently gated, and this one was recently reopened after a temporary closure. So I don't really see a lot of future for it. But who knows.

I wonder if there's any comparison to Aron Ralston here, in the world of crazy Utahans; well, they didn't close the area he got lost in, not that there would be any mechanism to do so. Of course he did get out, even if by pretty extreme measures.
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Darwinism at work.
Not really, it looks like he already procreated
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the guy was doing what he loved to do and died doing it, we as cyclist are no different
If I die riding a bike down an extreme downhill and the thing comes apart on me, or I'm riding on a steep mountain trail and fall off an edge, then, yeah, what you said. But if I'm killed by someone else's stupidity, failure to yield, whatever, that's different.
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I don't see where he did anything wrong, it isn't like he went out on his own in the night without telling anyone. He was experienced,with a group of qualified hikers. It was just a lousy way to die. It isn't like he jumped out of a helicopter onto an avalanche with a snowboard.
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^ What he said.

File it under "**** Happens" and poor bastard, I wouldn't want to die of slow suffocation etc like that. Too damn young, and left a kid without a daddy. All kinds of wrong.
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^^^^ and a child due in June.
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Um, yeah, that pretty much is an equivalent. He was engaging in a very dangerous activity and it killed him.
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File it under "**** Happens" and poor bastard, I wouldn't want to die of slow suffocation etc like that. Too damn young, and left a kid without a daddy. All kinds of wrong.
All kinds of wrong decisions in his part. He was a father; he should have grown up and given up his extreme hobbies while he raised his kids.
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All kinds of wrong decisions in his part. He was a father; he should have grown up and given up his extreme hobbies while he raised his kids.
Some people would say the same thing about riding a bike... whether on a road near traffic or mountain biking.
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Then again, when my kids were little, I wasn't out playing in traffic.
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^^^^ We're so lucky to have a smart guy such as yourself around. Fill us with words of wisdom oh great one.
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All kinds of wrong decisions in his part. He was a father; he should have grown up and given up his extreme hobbies while he raised his kids.
While I do think most of your comments are pretty insensitive and makes you look like a total dick, I do agree with your post here. If you take the responsibility of raising a family, you should also take the responsibility of not risking your life like this. It's not your life anymore when you have children.
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