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Old 12-09-09, 07:23 AM   #1
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Photoshop/Printing Gurus?

I need some help with a printing issue from Photoshop Elements 8... when printing a black and white, the resulting photos look nothing like what's on-screen. There are a bajillion printer setting options available and I am not sure which to choose.

When I use PSE color management and disable printer color management (as PSE suggests), the images come out very very dark. When I use both printer color management, the images come out 'redder' than the B&W image on the screen... if that explains it..

Is there a tried and true process for calibrating a printer to the screen? I downloaded an ICM Plugin for PS from Epson's site, but it either had no effect or I don't know how to enable it.

I'm kinda stuck with what to do next... so I thought I'd throw this up against the foo computing expert pool..

Thanks in advance!
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Old 12-09-09, 10:02 AM   #2
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If what you are printing looks nothing like what is on the screen, the embedded profile in the image and the printer profile most likely do not match. This might be the case since you are using PSE for color management. Regarding your display, if everything else on your screen looks fine (websites, viewing pictures, etc) then your display profile is fine, and would suggest the problem lies with inconsistent profiles between your image and the printer.


Are you just selecting 'print black and white' when you print? Try converting the image to greyscale first (in CS4 it's Image->Mode->Greyscale).

Have you tried not listening to PSE and just allowing your printer to manage colors? Sometimes Adobe software is really dumb and doesn't know what it is doing, especially when it comes to color management.

I'm not sure about PSE, but the print dialogue in CS4 shows you what the current printer profile is currently set as. Make note of what the printer profile is, then find what the profile of the image is (in CS4 it is under Edit->Color Settings).
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Is your monitor calibrated?
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If what you are printing looks nothing like what is on the screen, the embedded profile in the image and the printer profile most likely do not match. This might be the case since you are using PSE for color management. Regarding your display, if everything else on your screen looks fine (websites, viewing pictures, etc) then your display profile is fine, and would suggest the problem lies with inconsistent profiles between your image and the printer.


Are you just selecting 'print black and white' when you print? Try converting the image to greyscale first (in CS4 it's Image->Mode->Greyscale).

Have you tried not listening to PSE and just allowing your printer to manage colors? Sometimes Adobe software is really dumb and doesn't know what it is doing, especially when it comes to color management.

I'm not sure about PSE, but the print dialogue in CS4 shows you what the current printer profile is currently set as. Make note of what the printer profile is, then find what the profile of the image is (in CS4 it is under Edit->Color Settings).
This.

And sometimes the paper will effect the density.
Make a copy of your PS file and print from that, you may have to correct the brightness/contrast on the screen so it is lighter than what you want on the screen so that the print comes out correctly.
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I'm not sure about PSE, but the print dialogue in CS4 shows you what the current printer profile is currently set as. Make note of what the printer profile is, then find what the profile of the image is (in CS4 it is under Edit->Color Settings).
I forgot to note that if you do discover that the profiles do not match, change the printer profile to match the image's profile. This will usually fix problems with color photos. I haven't dealt much with grayscale so this problem may be something else, or it may fix it. Try the other stuff I suggested first and see if any of those fix the problem.



funny related side-note: This was the first time I ever used the stuff I learned from my color management and quality analysis classes outside of school. It's good to see my education is paying off when I'm helping people on internet message boards

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Thanks for the tips, guys! I will check it out when I have time.
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Anything done with Photoshop will be a raster image. It can get tricky to print out nice grey scale images on a desktop printer. Make sure your image is greyscale, not cmyk (printing) or RGB (web). It could be a printer thing though. Epson, as well as pretty much any color desktop inkjet, works in a strange way. No matter what the image is, the printer driver will convert the image to it's own special RGB, so if there are calibration issues or print settings are not correct, the photo will look weird. Also, if there are parts of the image in other layers that are color as opposed to greyscale, the entire image will default to that color space when it prints. IIRC, Epson should have settings in the printer drivers that allow for a better print of greyscale images. Turn off the PSE color management and allow the Printer color management when printing. IF the image looks good but dark, just flatten it and use a curve to cut it back 4~5%. Of course it's been a long time since I actually used one of those things. I sneak stuff out on our proofers at work that run off a calibrated RIP.
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