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Old 01-12-10, 10:52 PM   #1
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Nikon D3000 or Canon Rebel XS

Did a search, didn't see much on this. I see lots of nice photos on here so I'll assume there are some folks with camera info. I'm looking into these two models. Maybe even the Rebel XSI. Any reason why I should go with one or the other. Who makes better lenses? Also, any info on the quality of Tamaron lenses? Thanks for any info/opinions.
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Neither.

Find a used D40.
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what's your budget, and why aren't you asking on the dp review forums?
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It is rather curious that one of your first posts on a cycling forum is about cameras.

Anyways, the basic image quality of both is extremely similar. As far as I've seen, the kit lenses with both of these cameras are quite comparable. The main differences are going to be the layout of the controls and menus as well as the build and feel. You should try each of the cameras in your price range in a store so you can get an idea which feels more natural to you.

For what it's worth, I use a D40 and am quite happy with it.

Tamron lenses tend to be hit or miss. They make some good ones, but many of their offerings make noteworthy compromises in build quality or sharpness in order to undersell the offerings from the camera manufacturers. Sigma is similar, although I have in general a slightly better impression of their consistency.
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It is rather curious that one of your first posts on a cycling forum is about cameras.
I've lurked on the cycling related stuff for a while. I'm riding road bikes for 30 years. I don't need to ask how to set a crown race of if steel is faster then carbon for the 30th time. This on the other hand I know little about and see lots of nice photography on here. I was also interested in the views of people that weren't on a photo forum..

Thanks for the tamron info. I will shy away since I no too little to tell good from bad.
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Sorry, didn't see that sub forum.. I'm looking to spend around 800-1k on a body 2 lenses, uv filter, bag, and memory card.
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Canon. You can get a CMOS sensor for less money than with Nikon.
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I've got my eye on a Pentax kx. So I'm biased and would have to say that.

The Tamaron are OK lenses. Not the best, but most everyone agrees they take darn good pictures and are a great value.
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Neither.

Find a used D40.
I just purchased a Nikon D40 after much research.

For comparisons, go to kenrockwell.com
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I just purchased a Nikon D40 after much research.

For comparisons, go to kenrockwell.com
There are a bunch on ebay. From real retailers as well. Maybe I'll give the D40 a nod. What sold you?
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ComesATime71, just so you know ahead of time, part of how Nikon kept the cost and size minimal on the D40 (and the D3000 and D5000) was to eliminate the in-body autofocus motor. This is a small motor that connects to lenses that support the feature to turn the focus mechanism.

As a result, only lenses that have their own autofocus motor will autofocus on these cameras. These lenses are denoted by the "AF-S" label in their specifications. This is now pretty standard in new lens designs, and Nikon now has all of their most popular lenses available in AF-S, but you should be aware that many older autofocus lenses (labeled "AF" or "AF-D") will not autofocus.

You'll probably never encounter this unless you eventually buy older used lenses or one of a few current production lenses, but I just wanted to make sure this doesn't surprise you down the road. I personally have several lenses that don't autofocus on my D40 and get along quite well with them.
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I just purchased a Nikon D40 after much research.

For comparisons, go to kenrockwell.com
yup, d40, ken says it better than most of us could.
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There are a bunch on ebay. From real retailers as well. Maybe I'll give the D40 a nod. What sold you?
First off you need to know my guy is a research scientist... he loves to research just about everything. Sort of drives me nuts. Over a year he has been looking at cameras including the expensive Canon Mark cameras. I have several professional photog buddies and they all use Canons. I love my little Canons.

So after much comparison, research and more comparison, the guy bought the D40 (he really wanted the D90 but this was cheaper). He let me play with the camera and I instantly fell in love with the feel and operation of the camera plus it takes beautiful photos. I didn't need a camera but I wanted this one. I got a good deal through Adorama - the camera plus lens, bag and 2G card - $453. You wouldn't be sorry...
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Ken Rockwell is seen as a troll on most photography forums. Just saying

p.s to see what I'm talking about; just google his name
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Ken Rockwell is seen as a troll on most photography forums. Just saying

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Wow, brutal...

Most others seem high on the D40 as well though..
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I have found Nikons to be a bit sturdier than Canons. If you're taking your camera out on the bike that might be something to think about, too. Personally, I tried a Fuji FinePix S5200 a few years ago (still have it, actually), and it takes great pics & travels well. The pics are crisp enough that I really have no need to upgrade until it dies!
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I have found Nikons to be a bit sturdier than Canons. If you're taking your camera out on the bike that might be something to think about, too. Personally, I tried a Fuji FinePix S5200 a few years ago (still have it, actually), and it takes great pics & travels well. The pics are crisp enough that I really have no need to upgrade until it dies!
who takes a DSLR out on a ride?
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Ok now a more "camera related" post

It just depends on what you want to shoot. If you wanna take pictures of people and urban places then Nikon might be a better choice since they have a lot of good lenses that support that kind of photography very well. If you want to shoot a lot of landscapes and macro shots then Canon would be a better choice since they have better zoom lenses and unique macro lenses (mp-e 65 is a more professional/serious macro lens).

Of course they both cross the lines of their respective fields and Nikon can take good Landscape pictures and Canon can take good urban/portrait pictures. Keep in mind though; if you go one route and decide to change to another brand later on; it can be very very expensive depending on how deep you've gone into it.

Bottom line; neither is better than the other; they both lean towards different kinds of photography. If you don't really have a preference then just go visit a camera store and hold each camera and choose which one is more comfortable to hold and use.
p.s. I use primarily Canon if that makes any difference .
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Ok now a more "camera related" post

It just depends on what you want to shoot. If you wanna take pictures of people and urban places then Nikon might be a better choice since they have a lot of good lenses that support that kind of photography very well. If you want to shoot a lot of landscapes and macro shots then Canon would be a better choice since they have better zoom lenses and unique macro lenses (mp-e 65 is a more professional/serious macro lens).

Of course they both cross the lines of their respective fields and Nikon can take good Landscape pictures and Canon can take good urban/portrait pictures. Keep in mind though; if you go one route and decide to change to another brand later on; it can be very very expensive depending on how deep you've gone into it.

Bottom line; neither is better than the other; they both lean towards different kinds of photography. If you don't really have a preference then just go visit a camera store and hold each camera and choose which one is more comfortable to hold and use.
p.s. I use primarily Canon if that makes any difference .
I have to disagree with that.

But put my card in for Canon.
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I went with the Rebel XS...
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Check out both cameras.
Hold them in your hand, how does the camera feel?
How is the heft?
How is the balance with the lenses you intend to use?
How is the user interface?
How easy is it to change settings? Is it with an easy push of a button or is it menu driven?
How do you like the viewfinder?

I have always been a firm believer, when it comes to camera equipment, to buy one step above what you are looking for. If you are looking at the D3000, why not look at the D5000? Similar vein, in Cannon.

Disclosure: I am a moderator at a Nikon user group: www.Nikonians.org. It is a paid membership (minimum $25/year) but there is a 1 month trial for free. There is access to the D3000/D5000 forum with a trial membership so can get some opinions, there from actual users. There isn't a comparable Canon website, as far as I know.

Check out www.bythom.com. Tom Hogan has MUCH better reviews and is more consistent than Ken Rockwell, without alot of the tongue in cheek posts that many see as "TRUTH."

Having said that, both cameras will produce pretty good pictures, it all comes down to budget and preference. For my money, I shoot Nikon.
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