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Old 01-18-10, 06:02 PM   #1
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Why not jam the signals?

Make a law that requires cars to broadcast a blocking signal that makes cell phone and texting signals blocked any time the engine is running? Or anytime the wheels are turning, allowing for maybe the heater or accessories to run when stopped? Or a combination of the two. or ???

Today one TV show "expert"(don't remember his credentials) mentioned that talking on a cell phone while driving is equal to about the same as being drunk (odds of an accident) and that texting is about double that. Even if he is way off on the exact numbers there is still a problem.

The only thing I can see as a big problem, is that it would be easy to shut it off without being caught. Maybe signal strength meters measuring the blocking signal transmitted from your car used by cops just like radar guns would help enforcement.
Or spot inspections, just like inspection sticker checking stations temporarily on the road.
It might be difficult to keep a blocking signal from spreading to another car that is stopped and using a phone, right next to you. Maybe some variation on a Faraday cage ??????????
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Be a little tougher to shut off if it was wired into the ignition circuit -- shut off the damping field, the car stops.

The only negative issue for that would be 911 calls, say if they were being followed by a stalker or somesuch -- I know if my daughter was driving somewhere and was being targeted like that, I'd rather she be able to call for help.

Actually, an accessory to that would be a GPS-linked 'auto-911' that would flash location to the nearest station; perhaps a series of buttons that could categorize the emergency....

OK, circuit-heads -- let's get with it!
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What if the person driving is conscientious, and it is a passenger using the phone?
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passengers aside, jamming only inside the car would be difficult and unless the user shut their phone off, I'm pretty sure the phone would just try harder (increase its signal power) to find a signal, which drains the battery faster. For the GPS 911, see the wireless section for enhanced 911.
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It's WAY simpler than that. Every cellphone now has a GPS chip. GPS chips can sense when the cellphone is traveling over a certain speed, say 20 mph. It would be quite simple to program every cellphone to be inoperative if moving faster than a given speed. Problem solved.

I'll be surprised if mobile phones don't have this limitation within 5 years. What's the big deal? You can pull over to make a call. 15 years ago hardly anybody had these stupid phones, if you wanted to call from the road, you had to stop at a pay phone. And somehow we all got by.
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What if the person driving is conscientious, and it is a passenger using the phone?
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The jamming signal probably couldn't be confined to the vehicle, either, meaning as you rolled down a street, you'd cause others to drop their signals.
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It probably wouldn't be a big deal to disable it.
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meh, I don't really need the govt getting anymore involved in my life than they already are.
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I just don't want a cure worse than the disease. And in some cases, government regulation causes this. Sarbanes-Oxley anyone?
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I think it was mythbusters that showed that having a phone conversation and driving is worse than being drunk and driving. Either way I think that this goes too far, as said above what about passengers using the phone, what about emergency calls? The cure is to prevent the problem in the first place - better driver education and harsher punishments.
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What if you just had a jamming signal that could be mounted on the bike?
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Just make it legal to shoot anyone you see driving with a phone stuck to their ear or texting while driving.
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It's WAY simpler than that. Every cellphone now has a GPS chip. GPS chips can sense when the cellphone is traveling over a certain speed, say 20 mph. It would be quite simple to program every cellphone to be inoperative if moving faster than a given speed. Problem solved.

I'll be surprised if mobile phones don't have this limitation within 5 years. What's the big deal? You can pull over to make a call. 15 years ago hardly anybody had these stupid phones, if you wanted to call from the road, you had to stop at a pay phone. And somehow we all got by.
Great, now we can't use cell phones on buses or trains.
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What about when you need 911 etc? You are getting jacked, or jsharr has locked you in the trunk in a gimp suit again, or something like that?
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What about when you need 911 etc? You are getting jacked, or jsharr has locked you in the trunk in a gimp suit again, or something like that?
Why would you need to call 911? I mean, if I just shot you, I don't think you will be making any more calls.
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It's WAY simpler than that. Every cellphone now has a GPS chip. GPS chips can sense when the cellphone is traveling over a certain speed, say 20 mph. It would be quite simple to program every cellphone to be inoperative if moving faster than a given speed. Problem solved.

I'll be surprised if mobile phones don't have this limitation within 5 years. What's the big deal? You can pull over to make a call. 15 years ago hardly anybody had these stupid phones, if you wanted to call from the road, you had to stop at a pay phone. And somehow we all got by.
I was thinking about that. I like that. That's good for everything except possiby wanting to call 911 when being chased. The phones could be programmed to only call 911 when moving.
Any other reason you just pull over, no one needs to talk while the car is moving. I like it. Even if one can't call from a train, so what? Unfortunatly we are entering a time when some drivers were not alive, or did not drive before cell phones. My kids. and possibly all their friends had cell phones before getting a drivers liscence, now they think they need them.
Yeah, we need them just like we need cigarettes. Or a few beers before driving.
I agree with pcad, some day something will keep the phones from working in cars.

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It probably wouldn't be a big deal to disable it.
That's a problem with just about any set up, I don't see an easy answer for that one.

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jsharr has locked you in the trunk in a gimp suit again, or something like that?
What's a gimp suit? The new cars have jsharr proof trunk releases inside the trunk. It's amazing what an impact jsharr has had on car designs !

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What if you just had a jamming signal that could be mounted on the bike
If you don't mind spending the money you can do that now. Not sure it is legal, but who cares?

Lots of good points from everyone.
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or we could just enforce the laws we have now. but that would require work.
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Jammers are illegal in the US.

edit: Up to one year in prison and up to $11,000 in fines.
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A gimp suit is a suit made of latex or leather designed to fully encase the wearer, hands, feet, head, en toto. Used in BDSM or so I am led to believe. I was enlightened as to the existence of said suit by the movie Pulp Fiction.
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What if the person driving is conscientious, and it is a passenger using the phone?
When I am in a car, this is how calls are handled. I know of plenty of other people who do the same.

That aside, hands free devices are still permitted by the laws we're subjected to in our neck of the woods. I can only conclude the bluetooth lobby is quite effective since I've heard that research shows that going hands free does not help the distraction factor.
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What Pcad said, and I don't give a crap about your so called right to talk on your cell phone, my right to have you pay attention is greater. And if that means passengers on a train can't text their BFF, why then BFD.
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