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    Proper dress code - Evening wear

    I am sure there are more than a handful of you on the forum who wear formal dining wear...here is the deal...I am being asked to go to a charity ball, it's in a few weeks and I have a problem I need to work out.

    I have a untie bowtie that I am planning to wear, and I have looked high and low for "wing-tipped" shirts, I guess these are the ones originally for bowties, but how important is this? I have found such shirt at a local tux-rental company but it looks horrendously tacky, not to mention used. I have pressed white shirts which are of a better quality but these are the normal tie collars. How important are wing tipped collars and what would your opinions be?

    Ps. keep in mind, my shirts have nice (read not for bars) french cuffs...tacky do not...

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    okay...those don't work...

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    do not wear any colour other than black tie with a dinner jacket. don't even think of wearing a normal collar. wing tip a must.

    if you wear a waistcoat (you guys call it a vest?), make sure the bottom button is unbuttoned. i hate it when doofuses button that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriEngineer View Post
    I am sure there are more than a handful of you on the forum who wear formal dining wear...here is the deal...I am being asked to go to a charity ball, it's in a few weeks and I have a problem I need to work out.

    I have a untie bowtie that I am planning to wear, and I have looked high and low for "wing-tipped" shirts, I guess these are the ones originally for bowties, but how important is this? I have found such shirt at a local tux-rental company but it looks horrendously tacky, not to mention used. I have pressed white shirts which are of a better quality but these are the normal tie collars. How important are wing tipped collars and what would your opinions be?

    Ps. keep in mind, my shirts have nice (read not for bars) french cuffs...tacky do not...
    excellent. you have the right idea. keep it up.
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    Just rent a tux.

    Problem solved.

    You don't need a wing tip collar. It's the cut of the black jacket, and the blackness of it, and the black tie, that makes it more formal than a suit.

    I went to a formal evening wedding recently -- my first same-sex ceremony, BTW.

    I chose wing tip collar, but noticed it was about 50-50 between wing tip and down collars with the tuxes.

    If I had to do it again, I'd go with the down collar.

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    Wing tip collar is not a must. I liked wing tip when I was young and thin, my porkier self is now more comfortable in the spread collar.

    If you already own an appropriate dinner jacket and slacks, you ought to invest in a good shirt - http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatS...Section_Id=235 (just as examples, you should be able to find some less expensive versions, like http://www.josbank.com/webapp/wcs/st...01_10050_11521).

    Formal shirts tend to have cuff links AND insertable or "stud" buttons (so you have to buy those too). Pleats are common but not absolutely required (although the non-pleated shirts I've seen have been very nice and very expensive). It's the absence of the links and studs that be the tip off that you're not wearing what would normally be considered the correct shirt.

    EDIT - absolutely no funny or non-black tie, vest (not a big fan) or cumberbund. Do not remove jacket while at event - it is not a frat party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    styleforum is overrated

    askandy is the place to go

    very soon you'll be buying aldens & wearing sack suits, and there's nothing wrong with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjimbosandwich View Post
    styleforum is overrated
    correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by mcjimbosandwich View Post
    very soon you'll be buying aldens & wearing sack suits, and there's nothing wrong with that:thu mb:
    incorrect.

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    My dress shirt (pleated, for studs and cuff links) has a fold down collar instead of the wingtips.

    Then again, it's part of my Mess Dress Blues, so maybe we have different rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coasting View Post
    if you wear a waistcoat (you guys call it a vest?), make sure the bottom button is unbuttoned. i hate it when doofuses button that.
    Thank you. I've lost count of the number of times I've been told to button mine.

    As for the evening wear enquiry...stick with the classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connell View Post
    Thank you. I've lost count of the number of times I've been told to button mine.

    As for the evening wear enquiry...stick with the classic.

    you have to be able to claim ancestry to some scottish clan or at least be of scottish descent to pull off this look, no? if i were scottish i'd definitely rock the kilts, woven using harris tweed, of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjimbosandwich View Post
    you have to be able to claim ancestry to some scottish clan or at least be of scottish descent to pull off this look, no?
    Yeah, technically. That said, whenever I wear mine I get droves of people coming up to tell me how they're direct descendants of William Wallace, or Robert the Bruce, or Kenny Dalglish or some other Scottish hero.

    if i were scottish i'd definitely rock the kilts, woven using harris tweed, of course
    If I'd only known, I would have got one when I was single. Talk about babe magnets...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connell View Post
    Yeah, technically. That said, whenever I wear mine I get droves of people coming up to tell me how they're direct descendants of William Wallace, or Robert the Bruce, or Kenny Dalglish or some other Scottish hero.


    If I'd only known, I would have got one when I was single. Talk about babe magnets...
    as im not white, i'd probably just look totally out of place should i ever wear a kilt.

    on the other hand, although they are called uisge beatha, anyone can enjoy one of these


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad View Post
    Wing tip collar is not a must. I liked wing tip when I was young and thin, my porkier self is now more comfortable in the spread collar.

    If you already own an appropriate dinner jacket and slacks, you ought to invest in a good shirt - http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatS...Section_Id=235 (just as examples, you should be able to find some less expensive versions, like http://www.josbank.com/webapp/wcs/st...01_10050_11521).

    Formal shirts tend to have cuff links AND insertable or "stud" buttons (so you have to buy those too). Pleats are common but not absolutely required (although the non-pleated shirts I've seen have been very nice and very expensive). It's the absence of the links and studs that be the tip off that you're not wearing what would normally be considered the correct shirt.

    EDIT - absolutely no funny or non-black tie, vest (not a big fan) or cumberbund. Do not remove jacket while at event - it is not a frat party.
    And thus ends this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcjimbosandwich View Post
    you have to be able to claim ancestry to some scottish clan or at least be of scottish descent to pull off this look, no? if i were scottish i'd definitely rock the kilts, woven using harris tweed, of course
    In some states of the US, by being a native of that state, you get the permission to wear a tartan pattern of that region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad View Post
    Wing tip collar is a must not.
    corrected.

    Quote Originally Posted by mcjimbosandwich View Post
    you have to be able to claim ancestry to some scottish clan or at least be of scottish descent to pull off this look, no? if i were scottish i'd definitely rock the kilts, woven using harris tweed, of course
    no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Connell View Post
    Yeah, technically. That said, whenever I wear mine I get droves of people coming up to tell me how they're direct descendants of William Wallace, or Robert the Bruce, or Kenny Dalglish or some other Scottish hero.


    If I'd only known, I would have got one when I was single.
    Talk about babe magnets...
    nothing like a pack of drunk women on a saturday night, walking through the grassmarket, decked out in strapless dresses in 3°C temps, running up to you, shouting 'wots op yer kilt?' then pulling it up to see.
    Last edited by botto; 01-25-10 at 06:32 AM.

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    The trick I do with a kilt is to wear black underwear with it. This way, the only real thing someone can discern is what religion you are if you get your kilt tilted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpongeDad View Post
    Wing tip collar is not a must. I liked wing tip when I was young and thin, my porkier self is now more comfortable in the spread collar.

    If you already own an appropriate dinner jacket and slacks, you ought to invest in a good shirt - http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatS...Section_Id=235 (just as examples, you should be able to find some less expensive versions, like http://www.josbank.com/webapp/wcs/st...01_10050_11521).

    Formal shirts tend to have cuff links AND insertable or "stud" buttons (so you have to buy those too). Pleats are common but not absolutely required (although the non-pleated shirts I've seen have been very nice and very expensive). It's the absence of the links and studs that be the tip off that you're not wearing what would normally be considered the correct shirt.

    EDIT - absolutely no funny or non-black tie, vest (not a big fan) or cumberbund. Do not remove jacket while at event - it is not a frat party.
    Good reply. According to Miss Manners, the spread collar is the proper and only one, and studs are a must. There is an oft-printed picture of Tom Brady, the stylish New England Patriots quarterback and husband of supermodel Giselle Bundchen in formal wear with a white shirt with buttons. If he doesn't know better, she should. My dinner jacket is double-breasted, in honor of Fred Astaire.

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