Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Foo Off-Topic chit chat with no general subject.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-09-10, 08:23 PM   #1
wheeldeal
ɹǝqɯǝɯ ɹoıuǝs
Thread Starter
 
wheeldeal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Earth
Bikes: Huffy and Pacific
Posts: 378
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Budget 14" notebook advice needed (Dell vs HP vs Lenovo

You guys seem to be pretty tech savy.....so here goes.

I'm currently using a 3yr old 14" Dell Inspiron that's dying on me. Everything works fine (except the battery and the charger). The other thing that annoys me is the screen hinge that's very loose.

I would like to keep it at 14" as I find this to be the ideal size for me. It's big enough so that I don't have to squint to read, but small enough so it isn't too much pain to carry around. I'm looking for a PC. Not really interested in a Mac right now.

The brands that I've been looking at are:
Dell (Inspiron & Studio)
HP (DV4)
Lenovo (not sure which model)
But I'm open to other brands if you think they're superior (in design, more efficient, more robust & more reliable) than the brands I've listed above.

Of the three brands (Dell, HP & Lenovo)....in general, which brand seems to be the most reliable? Does one brand stand out more? Or are they very similar? Does one brand stand out more for being unreliable (i.e. lots of warranty repairs needed?).

One last comment/question. Intel came out with their "i" line of CPUs. Are they much superior than the Duo Cores (or Duo 2 Cores)? I see a few machines within my price range spec'd out with an i3 CPU.

I'm also a little worried about their new line because it hasn't been proven yet. Let me know your opinion on this.

1) What is your budget?
$600 - $700

2) What size notebook would you prefer?
14"

3) Where will you buying this notebook? You can select the flag of your country as an indicator.
USA

4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
None

5) Would you consider laptops that are refurbished/redistributed?
No

6) What are the primary tasks will you be performing with this notebook?
Mostly web browsing, e-mail, exel work, online banking, Instant messaging, webcam chats (Skype), watching DVDs, burning CDs, using it for travel (for the tasks above), playing music (as background music as I'm doing the tasks above).

7) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places, leaving it on your desk or both?
Mostly leaving on my lap, but I do occasionally take it with me.

8) Will you be playing games on your notebook? If so, please state which games or types of games?
Not really a gamer.

9) How many hours of battery life do you need?
The more the better. But I think 3+ is a good number since I would like to watch a movie and do some work on it before it dies out.

10) Would you prefer to see the notebooks you're considering before purchasing it or buying a notebook on-line without seeing it is OK?
Ok to buy online without seeing (as long as you guys think it's a reliable brand).

11) What OS do you prefer? Windows (XP or Vista or Windows 7), Mac OS, Linux, etc.
XP & 7

Screen Specifics

12) From the choices below, what screen resolution(s) would you prefer?

•Standard Resolutions: WXGA, HD, 720p
•Actual resolutions: 1280x800 and 1366x768
•Offered on larger Netbooks and Notebooks up to 16"

OR

•Midrange Resolutions: WXGA+, HD+, 900p
•Actual resolutions: 1440x900 and 1600x900
•Offered on all Notebooks. Keep in mind text will be very small on a 12" WXGA+ notebook.

13) Do you want a glossy/reflective screen or a matte/non-glossy screen?
No preference, although I don't like glare too much....but I can live with it.

Build Quality and Design

14) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?
No. But I would prefer something small & light if i had to make a choice between two identically priced machines with identical specs.

15) When are you buying this laptop and how long do you want this laptop to last?
At least 4 - 5 years

Notebook Components

16) How much hard drive space do you need; 80GB to 640GB? Do you want a SSD drive?
300GB range is fine. No idea what an SSD drive is. Can someone pls explain?

17) Do you need an optical drive? If yes, a CDRW/DVD-ROM, DVD Burner or Blu-Ray drive?
I would prefer a CD/DVD drive (burner preferred)
wheeldeal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-10, 08:54 PM   #2
aadhils
Bike Junkie
 
aadhils's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Santa Clara, CA
Bikes: Orange Brompton M3L; Milwaukee Bicycle Co. Fixie (Eddy Orange)
Posts: 1,590
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Apple's macbook beats em all but if you REALLY need to get a PC then the Lenovo is a good choice (mostly because of its quality).
aadhils is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-10, 09:20 PM   #3
no1mad
Thunder Whisperer
 
no1mad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: NE OK
Bikes: '06 Kona Smoke
Posts: 8,698
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 95 Post(s)
Can't contribute much, but the answer to #16- SSD = Solid State Drive.
__________________
Community guidelines
no1mad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-10, 10:00 PM   #4
annc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Bikes:
Posts: 428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I would say you should focus on the little features instead of the brands (although I never really like Dell). You can probably find laptops in the same price range with similar specs from different venders so pick the one you like. Pick the one with the screen you like, with the right keyboard feel, and with lighted keyboard, and the trackpad that you can use. These little things will make using your laptop much easier to use but are impossible or rather bulky to add later.
annc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-10, 10:35 PM   #5
patentcad
Peloton Dog
 
patentcad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Chester, NY
Bikes: 2013 Scott Foil, 2014 Scott Addict, 2008 Cervelo P3 (TT), 2015 Scott Scale 700SL MTB
Posts: 59,454
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 60 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by aadhils View Post
Apple's macbook beats em all
And until you get one you'll have no idea how badly it beats them. At least to to an Apple store and check out the 13" Macbook Pro. Stay away from the cheaper plastic Macbook, they really don't hold up very well compared to the sliver metal case machines.

You owe it to yourself to do that much, even if you wind up with another Windows laptop.
patentcad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-10, 10:56 PM   #6
Mr Danw
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: by the football hall of fame
Bikes:
Posts: 850
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Check out batteryrebuilders.com and you can get chargers on e bay. I just got a dell charger, new in the box for under ten bucks with shipping.
Mr Danw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-10, 11:08 PM   #7
NinetiesKid
Senior Member
 
NinetiesKid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Atlanta
Bikes:
Posts: 330
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It seems to me you have pretty basic needs and requirements for a laptop. That price range, for those uses, and only 3 hours of battery life...you can get nearly any laptop to meet those requirements these days.

In other words, for that price, those specs, those needs, you can't go wrong with anything. I've owned HP and Lenovo and I appreciate the build of both of them. The T400 gets rather good reviews, slightly more than it seems you want to pay though. The dell inspiron and studio 14 series are very cheap and would perform the tasks you require. The HP dv4 series may be slightly cheaper for slightly better specs.

Overall I think the biggest variable is battery life, which you can find good real life measurements of online (google "brand model review").

i3, i5, i7 will be faster, generally consume less power (for the speed) but be more expensive.
I just purchased an Acer 11.1" 1366x768 'netbook' with a 1.3ghz dual core, 4 gb RAM, 320gb HD, windows 7 64bit and integrated graphics. Does all I need quickly and more for less than $500. I surf the net, play music and movies, use SAS, epiInfo, and word processing etc. It is very responsive. My biggest complaint would be the speakers not being that powerful. (for reference)
NinetiesKid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 12:01 AM   #8
UmneyDurak
RacingBear
 
UmneyDurak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: NorCal
Bikes:
Posts: 8,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
I like my T400. I checked out lenovo website and it looks like they have a sale on their 7417 model for $737.... link
UmneyDurak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 12:12 AM   #9
enjoi07
Senior Member
 
enjoi07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: san diego
Bikes: custom caad9
Posts: 2,970
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
my girl has the 13" white macbook, i have the alu 15" pro. hers is holding up well. i can not believe Microsoft is still in business, and that i put up with that platform for so long.

here is some encouragement

enjoi07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 07:34 AM   #10
apclassic9
Caustic Soccer Mom
 
apclassic9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Millstone WV
Bikes:
Posts: 1,760
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
IMO stay away from all things Dell. HP is reliable (recently bought one for my son for x-mas - a 17", direct from HP, for $700), and I've not heard any trash about levorno.
__________________
As with mud, life, too, slides by.
apclassic9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 08:55 AM   #11
aadhils
Bike Junkie
 
aadhils's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Santa Clara, CA
Bikes: Orange Brompton M3L; Milwaukee Bicycle Co. Fixie (Eddy Orange)
Posts: 1,590
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Stay away from the cheaper plastic Macbook, they really don't hold up very well compared to the sliver metal case machines.
Actually the latest macbook revision is way better than the older model more fragile macbook. In fact I'd go as far as to say that it's almost up to par with the quality of the macbook pro. They use thicker polycarbonate plastic using the same unibody construction as the macbook pros.
aadhils is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 09:39 AM   #12
tspek
Banned.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 1,669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
What is budget about anything apple?
tspek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 11:13 AM   #13
enjoi07
Senior Member
 
enjoi07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: san diego
Bikes: custom caad9
Posts: 2,970
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tspek View Post
What is budget about anything apple?
in the long run, you save yourself from the headache of dealing with windows, not paying for tech support, etc. i payed about $1500 fro my mbp and never have felt better about a purchase.
enjoi07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 01:49 PM   #14
tspek
Banned.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 1,669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by enjoi07 View Post
in the long run, you save yourself from the headache of dealing with windows, not paying for tech support, etc. i payed about $1500 fro my mbp and never have felt better about a purchase.
Who pays for tech support?

The mac is a great piece of hardware but it's not budget minded. My Dell was cheap, it's beat to hell and a lot of stupid things have broken as a result but it still runs.
tspek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 06:55 PM   #15
aadhils
Bike Junkie
 
aadhils's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Santa Clara, CA
Bikes: Orange Brompton M3L; Milwaukee Bicycle Co. Fixie (Eddy Orange)
Posts: 1,590
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tspek View Post
Who pays for tech support?

The mac is a great piece of hardware but it's not budget minded. My Dell was cheap, it's beat to hell and a lot of stupid things have broken as a result but it still runs.
Given the price one has to pay for anti virus software and OS upgrades, macs always end up cheaper in the long run. I paid $10 to upgrade my mac OS, Windows cost starts from $200.
aadhils is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 10:35 PM   #16
wheeldeal
ɹǝqɯǝɯ ɹoıuǝs
Thread Starter
 
wheeldeal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Earth
Bikes: Huffy and Pacific
Posts: 378
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
How much do the cheapest Macbooks go for nowadays?
wheeldeal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 10:55 PM   #17
tspek
Banned.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 1,669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by aadhils View Post
Given the price one has to pay for anti virus software and OS upgrades, macs always end up cheaper in the long run. I paid $10 to upgrade my mac OS, Windows cost starts from $200.
What are you talking about? That last "upgrade" to OSX was not much of an upgrade and a lot of people felt it shouldn't have cost even $10. Furthermore, I've run my laptop without anti-virus software for 3 years. No problems. Aside from that, there are plenty of completely free antivirus and anti malware solutions out there.

Macbook: Great piece of hardware, expensive.

I don't get why mac users are under the impression that everyone must need a mac. It's not always the right solution.

The real advice here is to get a new battery. I doubt the charger has anything wrong with it unless the cord is physically damaged. Unless there is some desire to get a new computer, in which case "budget" really doesn't make sense as the most budget thing to do would be to spend $50-$70 on the battery.

Or, I'll buy the laptop off of you.
tspek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 11:00 PM   #18
tspek
Banned.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 1,669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wheeldeal View Post
How much do the cheapest Macbooks go for nowadays?
$999--in plastic

$1300--in aluminum

Or you can get a lenovo for $480
tspek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-10, 11:24 PM   #19
wheeldeal
ɹǝqɯǝɯ ɹoıuǝs
Thread Starter
 
wheeldeal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Earth
Bikes: Huffy and Pacific
Posts: 378
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tspek View Post
Or, I'll buy the laptop off of you.
How much?
wheeldeal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-10, 03:00 PM   #20
aadhils
Bike Junkie
 
aadhils's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Santa Clara, CA
Bikes: Orange Brompton M3L; Milwaukee Bicycle Co. Fixie (Eddy Orange)
Posts: 1,590
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tspek View Post
What are you talking about? That last "upgrade" to OSX was not much of an upgrade and a lot of people felt it shouldn't have cost even $10. .
I bet People who've said that have never owned a mac before. Snow leopard is a very solid upgrade. My computer is faster and I got aback 60GBs of hard disk space.
aadhils is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-10, 03:25 PM   #21
tspek
Banned.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 1,669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by aadhils View Post
I bet People who've said that have never owned a mac before. Snow leopard is a very solid upgrade. My computer is faster and I got aback 60GBs of hard disk space.
My source for this one in particular is Leo Laport, tech extraordinaire, general mac fanboy.

I would imagine your computer is faster because of the new OS installation.



Don't bring out that "you've never owned a Mac" crap. This guy is looking for a budget laptop to replace his laptop which seems to only need a $70 battery. Your advice here is to spend $1000 on a mac?
tspek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-10, 03:41 PM   #22
mustang1
Senior Member
 
mustang1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: London, UK
Bikes: 2006 road bike, 2012 cx bike, 2012 carbon rb, 2014 hardtail
Posts: 2,714
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
i always read lenovo was top-notch for quality, easily beating the other brands you mentioned. I knew someone would post Macbook, but I didn't know it was gonna be the first post after OP
mustang1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-10, 03:47 PM   #23
aadhils
Bike Junkie
 
aadhils's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Santa Clara, CA
Bikes: Orange Brompton M3L; Milwaukee Bicycle Co. Fixie (Eddy Orange)
Posts: 1,590
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tspek View Post
My source for this one in particular is Leo Laport, tech extraordinaire, general mac fanboy.

I would imagine your computer is faster because of the new OS installation.
Nope. It's still about the same speed as when I first installed it. Lol @ mac fanboy.




Quote:
Originally Posted by tspek View Post
Don't bring out that "you've never owned a Mac" crap. This guy is looking for a budget laptop to replace his laptop which seems to only need a $70 battery. Your advice here is to spend $1000 on a mac?
Yep

p.s. Amazon has the Macbook for approximately $970 and they do not charge taxes or shipping. The price does fluctuate and can sometimes go as low as $850.
aadhils is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-10, 03:54 PM   #24
tspek
Banned.
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Bikes:
Posts: 1,669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by aadhils View Post
Nope. It's still about the same speed as when I first installed it. Lol @ mac fanboy.
I guess the initial release of OSX just sucked then. I thought Apple was immune to that. Doesn't it bother you that they didn't just get it right the first time?

Quote:
p.s. Amazon has the Macbook for approximately $970 and they do not charge taxes or shipping. The price does fluctuate and can sometimes go as low as $850.
That's still not a budget laptop.
This is a budget laptop.
This is a budget laptop.
This is a budget laptop.

There a ton of budget laptops out there that will do everything your $1000 macbook does, if not more.
tspek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-10, 04:00 PM   #25
aadhils
Bike Junkie
 
aadhils's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Santa Clara, CA
Bikes: Orange Brompton M3L; Milwaukee Bicycle Co. Fixie (Eddy Orange)
Posts: 1,590
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tspek View Post
There a ton of budget laptops out there that will do everything your $1000 macbook does, if not more.
Actually those are not budget laptops. I like to call them One time use yearly laptops. Thats when they get so laggy and they break within a year and you're forced to ditch them and buy another laptop.

Cheap in the short term but costly in the long term.

Mac Laptops typically last at least 5 years and I know some that are still being used as back up laptops after 10 years.
aadhils is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:36 AM.