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Old 08-18-04, 01:19 PM   #1
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How are our buddy's down in Florida?

How are you guys doing after the hurricane? I heard it was pretty bad. Made front page in the news paper up here in NH a few times. Hope you and your family's are all safe. Can't wait for you to return!
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they may still be without electricity to run their computer or busy cleaning up the huge mess. My prayers are with those who are going thru this tragedy
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Alive and well!!!!

I wish I could say the same for the people that were hit.

I work as a Construction Project Manager for the local School Board. Well, on Saturday we had to visit all our campuses to assess the damage. Fortunately, we had minimal damage to a few portable classrooms (cheap wood construction) at our South County Schools (North Port area, on the Charlotte County line). On Sunday we were notified that Monday morning would be spent in Punta Gorda (where Charley first hit) to help them with their assessment. Spent Monday and Tuesday visiting the area and walking through campuses to see if any were suitable for use.

Let me tell you guys, the majority were NOT! The devastation to Punta Gorda was heartbreaking. Concrete Stadium Light poles that were probably 36" square concrete, were knocked down at their bases and toppled over. Whole roofs were torn off buildings. Everything had sustained water damage.

I was humbled and disheartened with what I saw. My heart goes out to all those people in Charley's path of destruction. It was honestly two of the saddest days in my life.

We did take a lot of pictures, I should be getting a copy of the CD tomorrow. I will post some pictures when I can. I will say however, that the pictures do not do the devastation justice. It's 10 times worse in reality.

In the industrial areas where there were (notice past tense) a lot of metal buildings, it looked like a scrap yard for metal. I've NEVER seen so much crumpled up sheet metal in my life. I took one picture of a bent up piece of metal (most likely a roof panel) about the size of a small car, embedded in the branches of and oak tree about 25 to 30 feet off the ground. The wind required to life a piece of metal that size just perplexes me.

I could go on and on.

I will close by saying, Donations ARE needed and much appreciated. Red Cross, Salvation Army, ....etc. have special funds set-up for this catastrophe. Please donate what you can.

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I'm glad to hear your okay a2. I hope there wasn't many lives lost. Houses and buildings can be rebuilt but once you loose lives there gone. I'd be interested to see pictures. I've never actually seen what a hurricane can do.
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I have relatives who live where the storms path went, I have yet to hear from them.
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Like I said, most large organizations have special funds set-up to help the victims of Charley.

Food and clothes help, but what they found out during Andrew was that it was a logistical nightmare to get those things to the people that needed them most. Monetary contributions are most appreciated as the money will be used to buy food in bulk and have it shipped.

There were several "Comfort" stations set-up where residents could come get bottled water and non-perishable food. These were literally semi-trailers of bottled water in cases just being off loaded and given to people as they drove off.

I will commend ALL the people helping, the Volunteers and the National Guard especially. These guys are in full gear, fatigues, boots, packs...etc. Those guys are suffering!! It's 89 to 91 degrees with 100% humidity. The "feels like" temp is over 100 everyday. With all the standing water, mosquitos are a big problem. Water hasn't been restored, so no showers. Electricity is still mostly out, so no A/C!

My team only drove down for the day and we were clean, fed and hydrated, and we knew we were driving home. It was intolerable! We all suffered varying degrees of heat stroke. And like I said, we had relief by coming home. Image either having no home to go to because it's rubble, or going home to a home with half a roof, no a/c, no water, and mildew growing in your saturated carpet and drywall. Not to mention ALL your furniture is water damaged as well! Only to wake up and have to work all day cleaning up.

It's bittersweet. I'm happy we (Sarasota County) was spared, but to see the devastation, saddens me to my soul.

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Current lives lost: 20
Total Damaged estimated to be close to 14 billion!

Impact of the memories: I'll never forget!

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Did you stay at your home? If not where did you go?

^ Just out of curiosity.
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How are you guys doing after the hurricane? I heard it was pretty bad. Made front page in the news paper up here in NH a few times. Hope you and your family's are all safe. Can't wait for you to return!

I wonder why it's in MTB part of the forum? What roadies, commuters and fun seekers can die off for all that you care?
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Sorry about that Chuvak. I'm not very familiar with the other forums. Don't read there much. I probably should. I just knew a few guys that are regulars on the mtb forums and I was wondering if they were safe.
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Sorry about that Chuvak. I'm not very familiar with the other forums. Don't read there much. I probably should. I just knew a few guys that are regulars on the mtb forums and I was wondering if they were safe.
No need to feel sorry, just a friendly pointer on my part.
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Current lives lost: 20
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Is it possible to construct businesses and homes which are hurricane indestructible?

If so, why don't building codes in hurricane-prone areas require this?

In California, buildings are designed so as to resist earthquake damage. Here in Boulder, CO, where we have extremely high downslope winds at times, mobile homes are required to have special tie downs.

Perhaps none of this is possible to prevent hurricane damage.

As you are a construction person, I would value your input.
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I have friends who are down there helping out pretty much. They say the pictures do not do justice the amount of damage that there really is.. One of the local radio talk show guys went up in a copter yeterday and took pictures http://www.schnittshow.com/hurricanecharley2004.html

Image no food, water, gas or electricity readily available for almost a week now..


If you want to help, you can go to http://www.tbo.com/ and on the right side of the page there is a link to "How to Help". It give all the organizations in the list.
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Makes me glad that I don't live in a mobile home anymore... and in the northeast!
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Is it possible to construct businesses and homes which are hurricane indestructible?

If so, why don't building codes in hurricane-prone areas require this?

In California, buildings are designed so as to resist earthquake damage. Here in Boulder, CO, where we have extremely high downslope winds at times, mobile homes are required to have special tie downs.

Perhaps none of this is possible to prevent hurricane damage.

As you are a construction person, I would value your input.

The New Florida Building Code does require much more structural reinforcing and tie-downs. Depending on your location, there is an "Importance" factor which will increase your Wind Loading accordingly. Sarasota County is near the top at 130 mph. When Charley hit shore, sustained winds were above that closer to 140.

The problem is that existing structures (think prior to 2001) did not have to meet this code. The most damage occurs when flying debris impacts a window or door and all the pressures and dynamics instantly change "inside" a structure. You see a lot of roof that were blown off or windows and doors that were blown "OUT" (not "in" as you would expect).

Also, a lot of roofs were blown off due to uplift. Many older roofs don't have the new tie-downs that tie the roof all the way to the foundation. The older roofs are lifted off the walls. Remember also, most homes are designed to withstand a theoretical 130 mph. That's if done exactly as specified and ALL components are sound.

With that, most of the damage sustained was to older structures and mobile homes. However, I saw plenty of newer structures that were damaged. Usually due to impacts from flying debris.

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I have friends who are down there helping out pretty much. They say the pictures do not do justice the amount of damage that there really is.. One of the local radio talk show guys went up in a copter yeterday and took pictures http://www.schnittshow.com/hurricanecharley2004.html

Image no food, water, gas or electricity readily available for almost a week now..


If you want to help, you can go to http://www.tbo.com/ and on the right side of the page there is a link to "How to Help". It give all the organizations in the list.

Schnitt is great! I listen to him almost everyday!

Also, EVERYONE's help is needed and appreciated.

One radio announcer made a plea to all those in the listening area (greater Tampa Bay area) the quote was, "Imagine what your costs would be if the storm hit your home? Donate just 1% of that number and it'll be significant!"

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Someday they'll ban mobile homes. Or at least figure a way to make them at LEAST a little safe.

Hearts out to all the people out there. We are doing what we can to help from the East Coast.
I've been there. After Hurricane Andrew. A2 is absolutely correct, the pictures, even the video from the news can just nowhere near convey the true devastation. Or the smell.
Smell? Yes. No trash pickup. Rotting garbage thrown around. Death. Animals, birds...
Or the sound.
Sound? Yes. It's quiet. Eerie quiet. You don't realize how much ambient noise is around unless there is something that stops it. Then the silence becomes almost deafening.

No, pictures, in this case, are NOT worth a thousand words.
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I just did a little (very little) googling and found this :

http://www.volunteerfloridafoundatio...ents.php?id=10

I was thinking of donating to the Red Cross, but these guys seem more local. The Red Cross site didn't have a link that would be specifically for this hurricane, just the option to put it towards 'disaster relief'....

Anyone know anything about this foundation before I plunk down some cash on the phone call and the cause?
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I just did a little (very little) googling and found this :

http://www.volunteerfloridafoundatio...ents.php?id=10

I was thinking of donating to the Red Cross, but these guys seem more local. The Red Cross site didn't have a link that would be specifically for this hurricane, just the option to put it towards 'disaster relief'....

Anyone know anything about this foundation before I plunk down some cash on the phone call and the cause?
My company is having a fire sale on all the old PC's in storage(400mhz and less). All proceeds are going to the Hurricane victims. We are also having donation boxes around for a list of items needed. The organization you have listed is listed on a lot of the "How to Help" pages, so I believe it is legit, but I haven't heard of it myself.

Also, don't forget about all the animals that have been displaced due to the hurricane. The Shelters don't take animals and people have no way of finding their pets right now. You wouldn't believe how many animals have been found/received because Hurricane victims could take care of them..
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Thank you for stoping me before I made a donation.

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Sorry - I must not have researched it enough. How much are you charging for those fire sale PCs?

I dunno why, but I was looking for something more local to the area - the Red Cross is probably a really great organization, but...

I have a feeling I'd like to make sure what I donate is going to go to people in florida. The red cross site made me think of a general pool for pretty much any natural disaster. Some people in Hawaii might end up with my money.

I'd like something that I knew was going directly to Florida residents, and helping them out. I'm not the best at finding stuff on the net. I just want to make sure whatever donate is going towards what I want it to.

I feel sorry for the people in Florida - I would like to send the little bit of money I can. I want to make sure that it is used ONLY for people in Florida. That is why I want to send it.

Now where is that link?
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Sorry - I must not have researched it enough. How much are you charging for those fire sale PCs?
I think you misunderstood. I mentioned that this Organization you put in your post IS mentioned so it is probably an OKAY place to donate there

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Also from one of the websites

Charley: ways to volunteer or send donations
-those wishing to volunteer or make donations can contact 1-800-FL HELP 1 (1-800-354-3571). Currently, the most critical need is for financial donations.

-Florida emergency information line 1-800-342-3557
-American Red Cross 1-800-help-now or visit www.redcross.org.
-Salvation Army Donation hotline: 1-800-996-2769

-The United Way of Tampa Bay has partnered with Suntrust Banks. Cash and checks will be accepted at all Suntrust branch locations, log onto www.suntrust.com.

-checks should be made out to hurricane Charley relief donation fund.
-checks and money orders also can be mailed to:

United Way of Tampa Bay
Hurricane Charley relief donation fund
1000 N. Ashley Drive, Suite 800
Tampa, FL 33602.

-United Way of Tampa Bay will facilitate distribution of the funds to the appropriate counties and agencies. Donations are tax deductible.

-United Way of Tampa Bay also is accepting donations in the form of Mastercard, Visa and American Express by calling 813-274-0900 in Hillsborough or 727-535-3545 in Pinellas, or you can contribute online at United Way's website at www.uwtb.org.

-Visit www.volunteerflorida.org to see a list of organizations supporting the response efforts in the aftermath of hurricane charley.

More ways to help
There are several places you can volunteer your services to help disaster victims.

The Salvation Army needs assistance. The number to call is 1-800-sal-army

Also, the Senior Volunteer Organization in Lakeland needs help. Their number is 1-863-683-8458.

You can show up at the civic center on south Floral Avenue in Bartow seven days a week from 8:30 a.m. To 4 p.m. to volunteer. There's also a hotline set up at (863) 648-1515 or outside Polk County it's toll-free (800) 881-8929.

The volunteers in service to the elderly could use your assistance. The number is 1-863-284-0828.
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I'd like something that I knew was going directly to Florida residents, and helping them out. I'm not the best at finding stuff on the net. I just want to make sure whatever donate is going towards what I want it to.

I feel sorry for the people in Florida - I would like to send the little bit of money I can. I want to make sure that it is used ONLY for people in Florida. That is why I want to send it.

Now where is that link?

I live in Florida. Wasn't really affected by Charley, but if you want to send ME money, I'd gladly spend it on some decent microbrews!

Seriously, any contributions to ANY organization would be appreciated.

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