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    SeaWorld trainer killed by killer whale

    Linky to CNN here

    My condolences to the family of the trainer.

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    KILLER whale. (Hint, hint.)
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Lest I get labeled an animal activist nut, I'm not; I'm omnivorous. Furthermore, condolences to the family of the trainer.

    Nevertheless, Cetacea are highly intelligent animals that should never be kept in what is essentially a pond. Watch The Cove.

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    Wow...

    My condolences to the family.

    And, I'm really sorry, but this paragraph from the article made me laugh at the irony.

    "The incident occurred after a show called "Dine with Shamu," said Paula Gillespie, who attended with her daughter."

    Dine with Shamu, indeed.
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    why are her employers blaming her?

    they say she fell in but the witnesses all say the animal jumped out and took her. What disgusting corporate ass covering and in the same breath as paying tribute to her.
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    Sad,
    strangely not surprising.
    The whale was just doing whale stuff.
    wild animals are wild animals no matter where you keep them
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    If I understood the article...didn't they say this Orca had killed someone before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikecrate View Post
    If I understood the article...didn't they say this Orca had killed someone before?
    3 times before isn't it? no wonder they are covering ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coasting View Post
    3 times before isn't it? no wonder they are covering ass.
    uh, it's called a "killer" whale? I'm glad it's still alive - if it were a lion, tiger, or bear (oh my!) the zoo keepers would have killed it after the 1st kill, which has always bothered me... people who get killed by zoo animals are usually somewhere they don't belong (like, inside a fenced enclosure).

    The whale did what it's species do. The trainer knew this about the species in general, and this whale in particular. I guess she thought she had made friends with the whale.
    As with mud, life, too, slides by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apclassic9 View Post
    I guess she thought she had made friends with the whale.
    I really hope this comment was meant to be sarcastic.

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    Some animals do fine in captivity...dolphins for example. Others, not so much. Killer whales don't belong in captivity doing silly tricks for our kids amusement any more than lions do. The only ones at fault here are the powers that be at SeaWorld. You could argue that the trainers know the risks and so on but the bottom line is they shouldn't even be using this species and most especially this particular animal as he has a history of using humans as seal pups. Shame on SeaWorld...Stick to the dolphins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aprilm View Post
    I really hope this comment was meant to be sarcastic.
    kind of.... sometimes people that work with danger day after day forget how one tiny misstep can spell disaster, and one might suppose that could have happened in this case; if a person works with an animal whose hunting technique is to slide into the shallows to grab food, that person should never turn their back on such an animal while even NEAR the shallows. Knowing that the whale is capable to lunge, the trainers and all other personnel working near the whale should have some healthy idea about how far back to be before they can feel safe turning their back on the whale.

    What I'm saying is, my impression of the people who work with these animals is that they do not view them as killers..... but, naturally, they are.
    As with mud, life, too, slides by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apclassic9 View Post
    uh, it's called a "killer" whale? I'm glad it's still alive - if it were a lion, tiger, or bear (oh my!) the zoo keepers would have killed it after the 1st kill, which has always bothered me... people who get killed by zoo animals are usually somewhere they don't belong (like, inside a fenced enclosure).

    The whale did what it's species do. The trainer knew this about the species in general, and this whale in particular. I guess she thought she had made friends with the whale.

    so what you are saying is "serves her right". her employers are totally correct and she only has herself to blame. nice. are you a shareholder of seaworld?
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    Maybe they'll come out with a 'trainer' figure to accompany the avenging narwhal playset.

    Could just change the clothes on the mime from the unicorn set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apclassic9 View Post
    What I'm saying is, my impression of the people who work with these animals is that they do not view them as killers..... but, naturally, they are.
    Ah, so you work side-by-side with these trainers?

    I've been riding horses for 16 years, and I never forget that these are animals that can kill me; however, I've made mistakes and I've been hurt. That doesn't mean my respect for them was "forgotten" in that moment.

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    It's time for this "entertainment" to stop. This whole Shamu show biz is just crap! Leave the whales where they live naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Cloud View Post
    Some animals do fine in captivity...dolphins for example. Others, not so much. Killer whales don't belong in captivity doing silly tricks for our kids amusement any more than lions do. The only ones at fault here are the powers that be at SeaWorld. You could argue that the trainers know the risks and so on but the bottom line is they shouldn't even be using this species and most especially this particular animal as he has a history of using humans as seal pups. Shame on SeaWorld...Stick to the dolphins.

    Killer Whales are dolphins;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_whale
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    I'm saying that this trainer made a mistake, and was killed. Seaworld certainly did not encourage the whale, did they? How can you blame the company for what it in the animal's nature to do? That's like blaming the Olympic Committee for having a fast luge track when that poor fellow from Georgia made a mistake and got killed. Some things are just inherently dangerous, and the timid among us don't usually do those things, the more adventurous hopefully understand the dangers and take precautions. Taking precautions, though, will not guarantee survival - - I am just glad that one of your riding mistakes did not kill YOU!!
    As with mud, life, too, slides by.

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    Seaworld is now reporting that they think that the trainer's long pony tail may have brushed the whales nose when he approached her for affection or interaction of some sort. They say the whale grabbed the pony tail and pulled the trainer into the tank. Sounds like a tragic accident. I have heard of similar things with lion tamers getting bitten, or alligator trainers, when sweat drips off their person and into the lion or alligator's mouth, triggering a bite response. When you place things outside their natural order, their will be unforeseen and often tragic results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coasting View Post
    so what you are saying is "serves her right". her employers are totally correct and she only has herself to blame. nice. are you a shareholder of seaworld?
    I'm not saying "serves her right" - I'm saying **** happens
    As with mud, life, too, slides by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minesbroken View Post
    Sad,
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    The whale was just doing whale stuff.
    wild animals are wild animals no matter where you keep them
    this is why my mother wouldn't let me have a raccoon when I was growing up.

    Bingo. BTW, My mom did let me keep a Racoon as a pet, till it grew up and bit my hand 'cause I wouldn't let her out of her room. Yes, she had a whole room set up for her complete with a large tree to climb, logs that I would hide her meal worms in, a closet with two sleeping levels, running filtered water, a huge tub I would fill with clean water daily for her to splash around in, and full natural light from four windows, she was fed raw oatmeal, a variaty of fruits and veggys, dry and wet dog and cat food, fresh fish heads, and cray fish three times daily, and I took her out in the yard like 4-5 times a day, she was really friendly and would give me huge hugs when a put my arms out to her, the little ho still bit me! So I decided it was time to let her go into the wild.
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    It's time for this "entertainment" to stop. This whole Shamu show biz is just crap! Leave the whales where they live naturally.

    Yeah, the Japanese will thank you for it.
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike047 View Post
    Killer Whales are dolphins;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_whale

    Yup yup, and lets not forget that a dolphin (as most know them) are killers. http://luna.pos.to/whale/gen_art_killer.html
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    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    I can’t really blame the Orca. If I was taken from the ocean while roaming free and plopped into a concrete prison cell for four decades I would probably want to kill one of my captors every once in a while too.

    +1 on watching The Cove.

    Sea World has the money and resources to return this animal back to its habitat, but I am sure they will just use it to make this whole story to go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apclassic9 View Post
    I'm not saying "serves her right" - I'm saying **** happens

    well i'm saying **** happens if you act irresponsibly...i.e. keeping a wild animal and then keeping that wild animal after it has killed more than once already. Let it go. it is unsuitable for captivity. By keeping it, it is not only cruel to the animal but endangers the employees.
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