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    Okay, a couple of days after the big win and the excitement has worn off I have to say that regardless of a gold medal, I am disappointed.

    The US team came out hungry for a win as did the Canadians. The US definately had a speed advantage but lacked in the maturity of their game. That is the drawback to a young team. Miller was outstanding.

    The Canadians though, always took control of the games up front and the pi$$ed away the lead by turning off the offence and leaving the game to defence and goal tending. Slovenia is a good example as is the gold medal game.

    After the Canadians had a two goal lead in the final game, they were basically on a time killing mission with no work from the offence other than dumping the puck. It was 30 minutes of penalty killing. You just don't win many games doing that.

    The US had gained momentum and Canada is lucky to have won.

    "Own the podium" does nothing to develop or inspire over paid NHL prima donnas.

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    Have to agree with you on your comments,at the beginning of the third period it was as if the Canucks were playing to protect their lead and the Yanks were playing to win. the guys in red seem to crawl into a defensive shell and just run around and pester the other team. If the Americans can keep most of the same players together for the next meeting the Canadians will be up against a wall if they play the same style of game. But in the meantime I'll savour the outcome of this years game. As for the "Own The Podium" programme they the powers to be need to change one small word in the name and rethink the intention of the whole thing. Change the "Own" to a "To" and focus on development and support of athletes to ensure that they develop into world class participants of the various sports striving to get better. By taking away the idea that owning the podium is the only thing that counts and shifting to just trying your best in getting to the podium will take away a lot of the pressure we as Canadians put on our athletes. If anybody thinks that the pressure wasn't there they just need to look at the various outcome of the games. When an athlete feels that they have to apologize to Canada because they came fourth by the slimest of margins, you can't say there wasn't pressure. That's the end of my rant for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overthehillmedi View Post
    Have to agree with you on your comments,at the beginning of the third period it was as if the Canucks were playing to protect their lead and the Yanks were playing to win. the guys in red seem to crawl into a defensive shell and just run around and pester the other team. If the Americans can keep most of the same players together for the next meeting the Canadians will be up against a wall if they play the same style of game. But in the meantime I'll savour the outcome of this years game. As for the "Own The Podium" programme they the powers to be need to change one small word in the name and rethink the intention of the whole thing. Change the "Own" to a "To" and focus on development and support of athletes to ensure that they develop into world class participants of the various sports striving to get better. By taking away the idea that owning the podium is the only thing that counts and shifting to just trying your best in getting to the podium will take away a lot of the pressure we as Canadians put on our athletes. If anybody thinks that the pressure wasn't there they just need to look at the various outcome of the games. When an athlete feels that they have to apologize to Canada because they came fourth by the slimest of margins, you can't say there wasn't pressure. That's the end of my rant for now.
    Great rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overthehillmedi View Post
    Have to agree with you on your comments,at the beginning of the third period it was as if the Canucks were playing to protect their lead and the Yanks were playing to win. the guys in red seem to crawl into a defensive shell and just run around and pester the other team. If the Americans can keep most of the same players together for the next meeting the Canadians will be up against a wall if they play the same style of game. But in the meantime I'll savour the outcome of this years game. As for the "Own The Podium" programme they the powers to be need to change one small word in the name and rethink the intention of the whole thing. Change the "Own" to a "To" and focus on development and support of athletes to ensure that they develop into world class participants of the various sports striving to get better. By taking away the idea that owning the podium is the only thing that counts and shifting to just trying your best in getting to the podium will take away a lot of the pressure we as Canadians put on our athletes. If anybody thinks that the pressure wasn't there they just need to look at the various outcome of the games. When an athlete feels that they have to apologize to Canada because they came fourth by the slimest of margins, you can't say there wasn't pressure. That's the end of my rant for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overthehillmedi View Post
    When an athlete feels that they have to apologize to Canada because they came fourth by the slimest of margins, you can't say there wasn't pressure.
    I somewhat agree, but those athletes that didn't get over the hump are going to get over their dissappointment - I think they already have. And we (the fans) showed them that it was ok that they didn't medal.

    It's hard to say the program didn't work after setting the record for gold medals (although I know they expected a higher overall medal count). I like the statement "Own the podium". It doesn't mean we think we're the best, and it doesn't take away from other competitors (IMO). It just says "We came to win." Which should be obvious - these are world class athletes, not 8th graders with confidence issues. They can take the pressure. I really think there was more pressure due to being on home soil, than anything due to the "Own the podium" program.

    As far as the hockey goes though... I'm just going to continue to enjoy it a little longer before looking for dissapointments. And remember, the US got through in large part because of their incredible, best in tournament goaltending. We had some defensive slips, sure, but without Miller, that whole tournament shapes up differently. I don't really want to explore that thought too far either though, because without the early loss we might not have had our act together in time for the final (if we made it that far).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdon View Post
    Okay, a couple of days after the big win and the excitement has worn off I have to say that regardless of a gold medal, I am disappointed.

    The US team came out hungry for a win as did the Canadians. The US definately had a speed advantage but lacked in the maturity of their game. That is the drawback to a young team. Miller was outstanding.

    The Canadians though, always took control of the games up front and the pi$$ed away the lead by turning off the offence and leaving the game to defence and goal tending. Slovenia is a good example as is the gold medal game.

    After the Canadians had a two goal lead in the final game, they were basically on a time killing mission with no work from the offence other than dumping the puck. It was 30 minutes of penalty killing. You just don't win many games doing that.

    The US had gained momentum and Canada is lucky to have won.

    "Own the podium" does nothing to develop or inspire over paid NHL prima donnas.
    You might be giving the players more credit for that then they deserve. It could very well have been a coaching strategy. Come out fast and hard, score and then play defence in the 3rd IF we have a lead. Against slovenia they looked like garbage doing it. It was almost like they came out too fast, and ended up too tired to play defence.

    Never a fan of that strategy but I believe its the coach not the players. The entire playbook got changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Ryan View Post
    As far as the hockey goes though... I'm just going to continue to enjoy it a little longer before looking for dissapointments. And remember, the US got through in large part because of their incredible, best in tournament goaltending. We had some defensive slips, sure, but without Miller, that whole tournament shapes up differently. I don't really want to explore that thought too far either though, because without the early loss we might not have had our act together in time for the final (if we made it that far).
    Of course, the goalie is a part of the team, you know.

    It's sort of like saying the Colts wouldn't be that great if they didn't have Peyton Manning. But they do. So they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
    Of course, the goalie is a part of the team, you know.

    It's sort of like saying the Colts wouldn't be that great if they didn't have Peyton Manning. But they do. So they are.
    Difference is...a great goalie, as with a great pitcher, can win the game on his own. A great QB could not (although sometimes it is close) without the rest of the team. I don't know how many games I have seen won because the goalie is standing on his head against 50 shots on goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apricissimus View Post
    Of course, the goalie is a part of the team, you know.

    It's sort of like saying the Colts wouldn't be that great if they didn't have Peyton Manning. But they do. So they are.
    Thanks for the tip. The sport is relatively new here.

    Edit: Ok, sarcasm aside, after re-reading my post I get the comment. What I meant is just that I don't think we "pissed away the lead" exactly. I keep hearing that the US were grittier and showed more hustle late in the game. I just feel like that isn't giving the Canadians or Miller enough credit. The Canadians showed a little bit of grit too, and Miller was what kept the US in the game to allow them to pick up the tying goal in the end.
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    I think I liked it better back when the Eurpoeans were the professionals and the US and Canada played with college students. I don't care anymore now that it's all NHL players. Kinda like the misnamed "Dream Team" of basketball back in the 80's. They massacred a bunch of outclassed players and got a gold medal. Big whoop. An affront to sport.

    At least hockey is a little more competitve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trsidn View Post
    I think I liked it better back when the Eurpoeans were the professionals and the US and Canada played with college students. I don't care anymore now that it's all NHL players. Kinda like the misnamed "Dream Team" of basketball back in the 80's. They massacred a bunch of outclassed players and got a gold medal. Big whoop. An affront to sport.

    At least hockey is a little more competitve.
    I would like to see all amature as well but how long before a repeat of the USSR days where their amatures were Red Army professional hockey players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trsidn View Post
    I think I liked it better back when the Eurpoeans were the professionals and the US and Canada played with college students. I don't care anymore now that it's all NHL players. Kinda like the misnamed "Dream Team" of basketball back in the 80's. They massacred a bunch of outclassed players and got a gold medal. Big whoop. An affront to sport.

    At least hockey is a little more competitve.
    Michael Phelps (and probably Apollo Ohno, and others) makes millions on endorsements, more than most of the NHL players. Should he be able to compete?

    Why would you want to see anything less than the best athletes in the world? The dream team breezed through in 1992 (it was 1992 when the pro's arrived at the olympics), but the "Redeem Team" was seriously challenged by Spain in the 2008 olympics, and won bronze in 2004. Isn't that ultimately what we want? The best athletes in the games to motivate and inspire the athletes in other countries to become better? It just takes some time for the parity to arrive.

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    I don't see how things could go back. Or that they really should. The world is a very different place now.
    And actually, athletes can afford to compete longer now that they can make a living off of endorsements. And I don't know that the old system was really "better". Likely not. It certainly wasn't really fair. It does seem that a lot of the 'wonder' of the games is gone. Maybe I'm just more jaded.

    I just know that I used to watch olympic hockey and basketball. I don't anymore. I can watch those most anytime I want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdon View Post
    Okay, a couple of days after the big win and the excitement has worn off I have to say that regardless of a gold medal, I am disappointed...

    The US had gained momentum and Canada is lucky to have won...
    No doubt the Americans were competitive, that's part of what made the game exciting. Another part was it being played in Canada in front of a sea of Canadian jerseys in games that set a record for Canada for most golds won ever.

    I think it may be enlightening to keep something in perspective. As much as there has been some pretty spectacular competition for Canada in hockey, Canada has dominated in international tournaments.

    In the 11 international competitions where countries have sent their best players (4 Olympics and 7 Canada/World Cups), Canada has won 7 (5 Canada/World Cups and 2 Olympic Golds) while the USA has won 2 (1 World Cup and 1 Olympic gold). The Soviet Union has won 1 Canada Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom View Post
    You might be giving the players more credit for that then they deserve. It could very well have been a coaching strategy. Come out fast and hard, score and then play defence in the 3rd IF we have a lead. Against slovenia they looked like garbage doing it. It was almost like they came out too fast, and ended up too tired to play defence.

    Never a fan of that strategy but I believe its the coach not the players. The entire playbook got changed.
    I agree with what you are saying Maelstrom, but not for a single game tournament and only a two goal lead. If they were game one of seven, a five goal lead with a game next day yes, slack off and preserve. This was it though, gold medal round, all or nothing and the offense stopped charging the net entirely. They played to protect what they had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdon View Post
    I agree with what you are saying Maelstrom, but not for a single game tournament and only a two goal lead. If they were game one of seven, a five goal lead with a game next day yes, slack off and preserve. This was it though, gold medal round, all or nothing and the offense stopped charging the net entirely. They played to protect what they had.
    oh I don't agree the playbook SHOULD have changed, I am just saying thats what I saw. Hard to fault the players when it was the coach changing the playbook. I am a balls to the wall kind of guy, I would rather seem them push push then sit on their heals and play defence to hold a lead

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    They're not 40min.only pro players.Yes,maybe a neutral zone trap at the latter part of the third(if it's a big lead), but a professional is expected to give it all for 60min..
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    Quote Originally Posted by spry View Post
    They're not 40min.only pro players.Yes,maybe a neutral zone trap at the latter part of the third(if it's a big lead), but a professional is expected to give it all for 60min..
    agreed...

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    I thought the McKenzie Brothers spell it"hozers"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spry View Post
    I thought the McKenzie Brothers spell it"hozers"?
    I don't know but the term is a lot older than Bob and Doug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spry View Post
    I thought the McKenzie Brothers spell it"hozers"?
    It's hoser, eh?



    from a real Canadian Hockey Hoser



    who was sired by another Hockey Hoser



    who beat the Soviets in '55, 5-0 to win the world championship (back when ametuers played for the title)
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    Those single ply leather,no form fit,all metal base to blade,I'm guessing late 60's early 70's?
    Those holes in your stockings, I guess some hoser from Newfoundland hacked you pretty good that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spry View Post
    Those single ply leather,no form fit,all metal base to blade,I'm guessing late 60's early 70's?
    Those holes in your stockings, I guess some hoser from Newfoundland hacked you pretty good that day.
    Early 70's (can't you tell by the hair?) and yeah, we used our gear pretty well.
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