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    Is this racism?

    Not sure where to post this.

    I've lived in an insular community for the past 5 years. Population is like 99.9% white, no blacks at all.
    I am 1/2 Mexican but don't know that I "look" ethnic, or act different, or any such thing. I don't know. Maybe I do look Mexican. I don't speak Spanish.

    My question. I have a friend/acquaintance here. Lately he seems to be making a lot of comments about me being Mexican. Kind of like in a joking, ambiguous way. Would you say he's being racist? I'm not asking for advice on how to handle situations like this, I'm just asking for opinions if this person is being racist. Many people here are racist and they are not afraid to say it.
    He is a pretty decent guy. If he is being racist my opinion is that he has been around it all his life and he just doesn't realize it. Like I said, I'm not asking how to deal with this, I'm just asking for opinons. Thanks.

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    We are products of our environment and upbringing. Sometimes it is hard to seperate right from wrong if you have never been shown right. You obviously are well aware of this. I guess my feeling is that intention matters. If he is unintentionally being racist, then no, it is not racist.

    Share with him your thoughts and feelings. Perhaps he is blind to the fact that what he thinks is just good fun can be very hurtful. I realize that you did not ask for our advice but it is hard to answer this sort of question without giving some.

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    Does he treat you differently than other people (other than the occasional "joke")?

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    I have a good friend that is aboriginal. He calls himself "Indian" which is an offensive label to many. Because he uses it to describe himself, others use it too and he takes no offence. I have never felt comfortable using it so I don't.

    To answer your question, I guess I would find it racist while others would not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    We are products of our environment and upbringing. Sometimes it is hard to seperate right from wrong if you have never been shown right. You obviously are well aware of this. I guess my feeling is that intention matters. If he is unintentionally being racist, then no, it is not racist.

    Share with him your thoughts and feelings. Perhaps he is blind to the fact that what he thinks is just good fun can be very hurtful. I realize that you did not ask for our advice but it is hard to answer this sort of question without giving some.

    Best of luck.
    I'd sweater him and hit him repeatedly with a frozen slab of back bacon the next time he does this.

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    If you already know what you are going to do to handle the situation, what difference does it make whether or not we (who have never met the guy) think it is racism?

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    there is racism and there is racism. some people kid around with you not realising what they say may offend because that is not their intention and are just playing with you. these i say are non-racists making unwitting insnsitive comments reflecting their upbringing. nothing to be upset about, but if it does bother you, best thing is to tell the person but not in a confrontational way.

    then there is the angry hate filled racist or the condescending superior racist or the fearful paranoid racist. well...those you might as well tell them to F themselves.
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    I'd poncho him and hit him repeatedly with sizzling carnitas the next time he does this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sknhgy View Post
    Not sure where to post this.

    I've lived in an insular community for the past 5 years. Population is like 99.9% white, no blacks at all.
    I am 1/2 Mexican but don't know that I "look" ethnic, or act different, or any such thing. I don't know. Maybe I do look Mexican. I don't speak Spanish.

    My question. I have a friend/acquaintance here. Lately he seems to be making a lot of comments about me being Mexican. Kind of like in a joking, ambiguous way. Would you say he's being racist? I'm not asking for advice on how to handle situations like this, I'm just asking for opinions if this person is being racist. Many people here are racist and they are not afraid to say it.
    He is a pretty decent guy. If he is being racist my opinion is that he has been around it all his life and he just doesn't realize it. Like I said, I'm not asking how to deal with this, I'm just asking for opinons. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    I'd bandelero him and hit him repeatedly with a frozen sack of pinto beans the next time he does this.
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    Before we pass judgement on you hombre,what is your other 1/2 ethnic background so we can work on that other sensitivity issue of yours?
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    Being a white guy I'm afraid to say anyhting about any other race in fear of being labeled a racist. It makes it to where you don't understand what your saying is racist or not because it all feels wrong. It's difficult at that point to establish a boundary. You usually end up crossing it. When it happens I play stupid and blame it on my upbringing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sknhgy View Post
    Not sure where to post this.

    I've lived in an insular community for the past 5 years. Population is like 99.9% white, no blacks at all.
    I am 1/2 Mexican but don't know that I "look" ethnic, or act different, or any such thing. I don't know. Maybe I do look Mexican. I don't speak Spanish.

    My question. I have a friend/acquaintance here. Lately he seems to be making a lot of comments about me being Mexican. Kind of like in a joking, ambiguous way. Would you say he's being racist? I'm not asking for advice on how to handle situations like this, I'm just asking for opinions if this person is being racist. Many people here are racist and they are not afraid to say it.
    He is a pretty decent guy. If he is being racist my opinion is that he has been around it all his life and he just doesn't realize it. Like I said, I'm not asking how to deal with this, I'm just asking for opinons. Thanks.
    My best friend calls me a Slopehead or Buddahead or brave or chief (I am 1/2 Indian 1/2 Japanese)... it's a joke between us and I know his intent... it's only racist if you allow it to bother you. And then again you are being too senitive.

    If you are friends why don't you say "why do you ask?" or "What did you mean?" Man up - act like an adult and clarify the intent - don't automatically get your panties in a bunch (can you tell I post in P & R?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfromwaco View Post
    Being a white guy I'm afraid to say anyhting about any other race in fear of being labeled a racist. It makes it to where you don't understand what your saying is racist or not because it all feels wrong. It's difficult at that point to establish a boundary. You usually end up crossing it. When it happens I play stupid and blame it on my upbringing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfromwaco View Post
    Being a white guy I'm afraid to say anyhting about any other race in fear of being labeled a racist. It makes it to where you don't understand what your saying is racist or not because it all feels wrong. It's difficult at that point to establish a boundary. You usually end up crossing it. When it happens I play stupid and blame it on my upbringing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    I'd hog-tie him and hit him repeatedly with a frozen leg quarter the next time he does this.
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    Hard to say without knowing your friend and exactly what your relationship is.

    I do identify with your situation though: I'm half-Irish, half-Mexican. My sister and I call ourselves Leprecanos. Turns out I can pass for lots of different ethnic groups, which was a weird discovery when I was traveling in Central Asia and people were asking me if I was Tajik or Azeri.

    When I was a kid I had a hard time feeling comfortable. My Mexican relatives gave me crap for not speaking Spanish. My Irish cousins gave me crap for being so brown. Anyway, as the USA becomes more and more mixed, folks like us are going to be the norm, not the exception. And eventually, it'll stop being an issue.
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    Some people really don't realize that their comments are racist until it is pointed out to them and then there are folks who are fully aware of what they are saying.

    It can be hard to tell the difference sometimes.

    I walked into the pub one afternoon and saw my friend Dave and few of the other guys and as per usual said "hey n****r what's up" and they say "hey whitey" and "what's up white boy" ?

    The tourists at the bar with the big hats and belt buckles looked at me like I had just signed my death warrant but these guys were my friends, and we were in the Bahamas, and sometimes my friend Dave would call me the N word.

    Because we were really good friends.

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    If you are asking the question, it is a racist remark!

    The offense is determined by the intended audience.

    Poor communication skills, on both sides....... MHO

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    [QUOTE=caloso;10485169] I'm half-Irish, half-Mexican. My sister and I call ourselves Leprecanos. QUOTE]

    That is hilarious!!!! If we all had a better sense of humor about things, there would be no hate in the world! I have called myself Japanavajo although the is not my tribe (I'm Choctaw).
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    [QUOTE=Pamestique;10485639]
    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    I'm half-Irish, half-Mexican. My sister and I call ourselves Leprecanos. QUOTE]

    That is hilarious!!!! If we all had a better sense of humor about things, there would be no hate in the world! I have called myself Japanavajo although the is not my tribe (I'm Choctaw).
    I wish I could claim it. I stole it from Ask A Mexican.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    I'm half-Irish, half-Mexican. My sister and I call ourselves Leprecanos. QUOTE]

    That is hilarious!!!! If we all had a better sense of humor about things, there would be no hate in the world! I have called myself Japanavajo although the is not my tribe (I'm Choctaw).
    Choctanese? Japataw?
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    Hay thanks everyone. There's not a problem here. I can say anything to this person. I could give him crap if I wanted to. I even fed his dog for a week while he was on vacation. We're pretty close actually.
    I was just wondering if remarks like this would be considered racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caloso View Post
    Hard to say without knowing your friend and exactly what your relationship is.

    I do identify with your situation though: I'm half-Irish, half-Mexican. My sister and I call ourselves Leprecanos. Turns out I can pass for lots of different ethnic groups, which was a weird discovery when I was traveling in Central Asia and people were asking me if I was Tajik or Azeri.

    When I was a kid I had a hard time feeling comfortable. My Mexican relatives gave me crap for not speaking Spanish. My Irish cousins gave me crap for being so brown. Anyway, as the USA becomes more and more mixed, folks like us are going to be the norm, not the exception. And eventually, it'll stop being an issue.
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