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    where did my thread go?

    y'know, the one where i posted about being attacked, and then got painted as a racist because i mentioned that the attackers happened to be black? if it was a group of white guys, i would've said that it was a group of white guys. if it was a group of asians, i would've said that. if it was a group of latinos, i would've said that too.

    sure, we all get harassed by people when we ride our bikes, but it's not every day that someone gets punched in the firggen head by some random stranger (it was the first time it happened to me, anyway). that's why i posted the thread. to say, "hey, this happened to me, be careful because it could probably happen to you too." i know there are quite a few folks who read this forum who reside in the bay area, i just wanted to give them a heads up so maybe they could avoid a similar situation.

    maybe the folks who think i'm racist missed the posts where i said the actions of the few don't have any bearing on my opinions of the many, or that there aren't any bad neighborhoods, just bad people, individuals, not entire groups or races. it's really unfortunate that it happened to begin with, and it's equally unfortunate that just because i happened to mention the race of the individual, people get offended. i never said anything hostile about black people in specific, and i never would...about any race for that matter. i said "i hope the ****er broke his hand." and i meant it. i'd say it about anyone who attacked me, regardless of race.

    i STILL have a headache after two nights, and i can't get to sleep at night because i keep thinking about it. last night when i had to ride home alone after dark, i was so paranoid the whole time that someone, was gonna run out in front of me and do it again. it's ridiculous that we live in a society where that kind of behavior becomes acceptable.

    i was angry and i was scared when i made the post, but i didn't say anything intended to incite racist comments. i have no control over what other people say. maybe we should start nerfing "black" and "white" and any other race classifications to asterices as well, to prevent people from being offended.

    a word about the vulgarity policy on this board. i understand why it exists, but, i don't see why moderators have to edit posts and constantly bring it up when the "bad words" are already nerfed to come out as asterices. how is "****" more offensive than "<snip>." people still know there was something there that was editted out. in my orginal post, there was a section where i said something like "that M-Fer", and the starred-out word was replaced by "<snip>." if the thread actually existed anymore, anyone who read it might think i said the N-word, or some other heinous word in the same vein. something i would never do. with the stars in there, they'd see that, in fact, i had not said the N-word. the fact that it was changed when there was nothing wrong with it is insulting to me.

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    The reason racial issues or tensions still exist, I think, is because everyone is afraid to discuss these things openly without reservations. Everyone is afraid to say anything lest they be deemed a racist or a bigot, so everything gets swept under the rug where it won't be seen or heard, thus depriving those people involved from potentially learning and growing. Of course I could be wrong. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. I think in too many problems that face our society today people tend toward the ostrich defense.

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    this is really creepy here. like beeing in an asylum where the guards are psychos.
    Last edited by sohi; 08-28-04 at 02:14 PM.

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    the whole race thing is so sensitive nowadays it cannot even be discussed- I remember years ago when I first started work I was telling a story about when a friend of mine was visiting a croc farm in South Africa. I meant the story in sort of liberal "aren´t the white South Africans a bunch of oppressive morons" type thing, But suddenly when I mentioned the race thing everone just looked embarrassed and sort of went very quiet. I realised at that point there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that could be safely said concerning race. I resolved at that point never to mention race/black/white issues ever again to anyone in public again and I have largely succeeded to date. I would advise anyone else to do the same. Even when it has been raised by other people I just smile enigmatically and stare out of the window. It s the safest way.

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    the funny thing is there is no biological foundation for the term race. its just a thing
    that keeps ******* busy. those ******* have pretty much revealed themselves
    by removing the thread.
    a race is at least two people competing for the best time on a race track. fullstop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohi
    the funny thing is there is no biological foundation for the term race. its just a thing
    that keeps ******* busy. those ******* have pretty much revealed themselves
    by removing the thread.
    WHOA WHOA WHOA THERE!!! i think you mean mentally or physically challenged persons!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTinSloth
    WHOA WHOA WHOA THERE!!! i think you mean mentally or physically challenged persons!!!
    *beep*
    Last edited by sohi; 08-28-04 at 02:32 PM.

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    OneTinSloth, the only problem I had with your original post was the swearing. I ran a query that removed all asterisks in that thread with <snip>, so the thread could stay open. Normally when I see a post with more then 5 works censored out, I'll delete it, and ask the user to post again without using vulgarity. The thread in question grew to fast for that to really be an option for you. Hence my editing query. I can see why you are upset, but at the same time, rules are rules.

    As for the thread being removed: We had more then a few users report it to the mods, for language and for racist comments. I think it got to the point were the thread was not compatible with the guidelines without removing over half the posts, at that point it makes more sense to delete the thread then try to delete individual posts to keep it within the guidelines.

    MGR, I agree with your post fully, well said. I don't mind discussing racial tensions in the Foo (off topic chit chat) forum. I just don't want to see any racially offensive comments a reply to somebody else's post on this forum ever again.

    Sohi... is that the best analogy you could come up with? Think of me as the sheriff that will let you go 10% over speed limit 90% of the time. Just dont cry when you get a ticket for doing 50 in a 25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Gardner
    OneTinSloth, the only problem I had with your original post was the swearing. I ran a query that removed all asterisks in that thread with <snip>, so the thread could stay open. Normally when I see a post with more then 5 works censored out, I'll delete it, and ask the user to post again without using vulgarity. The thread in question grew to fast for that to really be an option for you. Hence my editing query. I can see why you are upset, but at the same time, rules are rules.
    see this is what i don't understand. how is <snip> less offensive than asterisks?

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    where are your simpsons avatars? they kept it in context atleast

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    It may, or may not be more offensive. People perceive different things in life as being offensive.

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    maybe it should be switched to like, pound signs or something...

    ####!!!

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    actually, last night i switch it to underscores, pound signs may also work. I just don't want everyones eyes to be drawn to the censored word and feel they can do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Gardner
    actually, last night i switch it to underscores, pound signs may also work. I just don't want everyones eyes to be drawn to the censored word and feel they can do the same.
    the "at" symbol is nice and round, no sharp edges or anything like that, seems like a pretty safe, inocuous little symbol.

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    actually, you know what would keep people's eyes from being drawn to the censored words? not censoring them.

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    That wont be an option.

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    fwiw I read your post though I did not read any but maybe the first two comments and I did not think you were being racist at all. In fact it did not even cross my mind. I saw it as a descriptive outline of what happened anyway like I said fwiw....

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    Can we censor this kind of stuff:
    "B4 u road BMX u wer a looser! isnt it gr8 two ride a bike! wut trix do u do?"

    I'm serious.


    No, really.



    Seriously! Wut do u think?

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    IMHO, the first few posts were not racist. However, a good portion of the comments in the whole thread were racially offensive, and a few posts that were deleted outright before the thread was trashed, were down right racist.

    What it comes down to, with this thread, or any other thread / post / comment on the forums: If one my moderators, or myself believe that the thread / post / comment is breaking the spirit of the guidelines, they have the option to take action and delete the said thread / post / comment. It is very rare that we delete a whole thread, but some times the thread itself is not salvageable by deleting the offending posts.

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    My two cents worth: Underscores, snips, asterisks, pound signs--all of these are simply lame attempts to make acceptable words some people may find offensive. In fact, polite, effective communication happens much better without offensive diction, which functions often as meaningless intensification rather than as meaningful content. Name calling, invoking excrement and other forms of scatology, condeming to hell all impede discussion rather than enhance it. One who cannot discuss an issue without resorting to such tactgics ought to step back and calm down. Even discussion of issues as difficult as race can happen well if people approach it thoughtfully and with respect for the opinions of others.
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    Registering to mock people crying about language and the word 'black' being used.

    Edit: oh sweet I'm right below the ad

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    JMTCW... Censorship sucks. No two ways about it... censorship sucks!


    What is the difference if someone writes $hit, ***** or gets ****, @@@@ or ____ ? We all know what (insert name here) stepped in and got all over their shoe. As George Carlin reminds us "There are no bad word, bad thoughts, bad intentions but no bad words.

    What's next? We limit all but the highest of technical vernacular. So we can't write the word 'poo' without getting <snip> End result, 'Jimmy stepped in canine fecal matter'. C'mon, when you (collectively) step in it, you've just stepped in dogsiht!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prosody
    My two cents worth: Underscores, snips, asterisks, pound signs--all of these are simply lame attempts to make acceptable words some people may find offensive. In fact, polite, effective communication happens much better without offensive diction, which functions often as meaningless intensification rather than as meaningful content. Name calling, invoking excrement and other forms of scatology, condeming to hell all impede discussion rather than enhance it. One who cannot discuss an issue without resorting to such tactgics ought to step back and calm down. Even discussion of issues as difficult as race can happen well if people approach it thoughtfully and with respect for the opinions of others.
    were you even involved in the original discussion? it wasn't a discusison about race, it was me posting a thread about how i got attacked on my way home from work. please, save the $.50 words for term papers and blog entries, they tend to obscure your point.

    and people can be just as offensive or non-sensical without using the 7 dirty words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTinSloth
    WHOA WHOA WHOA THERE!!! i think you mean mentally or physically challenged persons!!!
    Thats another one that chaps my eye. people get offended by the word ********, which is a perfectly correct technical term like accelerate or penis. In a sentance "If something ******* his mental devolopment, than he has become mentally ********."
    I think people switched to 'mentally challenged' for the same reason people spell out words when talking about dogs. Example "Give that dog a b-a-t-h." so the dog dosen't run off. That does bug me a little.

    I new a gal that would get in a snit if she heard '******' or '********' I was talking to someone about a chemical reaction being ******** under certain conditions and she still got all fluffed up, at which point I told her she was free to leave. (she was a freind of an aquaintance)
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