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    Woo! Cleveland #1!!!

    Cleveland No.1 in big-city poverty
    Nearly half of children among the poor

    Cleveland experienced the highest poverty rate among America's big cities last year, with nearly a third of its people in poverty, according to new figures released Thursday by the U.S. Census Bureau.

    And nearly one-half of Cleveland's children were among the poor, again the highest rate among American cities with populations of 250,000 or more.

    The poverty line is defined by the federal government as an income of less than $18,660 in 2003 for a family of four. It does not take much to push a family over that edge, Weiner said.

    A lost job, a new child, or an illness can do it.

    Across America in 2003, families struggled to maintain their standards of living. Incomes were stagnant, poverty increased, and more than a million more Americans felt the sting of living without health insurance, the Census Bureau reported.

    The portrait of a nation treading water comes from two separate coast-to-coast surveys of key quality-of-life indicators.

    The Census Bureau released a mountain of data Thursday from those surveys done in 2003. The Current Population Survey set the nation's official poverty rate and detailed America's fortunes with income and health insurance.

    Commute times in the eight counties dipped slightly to under 23 minutes on average, while the percentage of adults with a college education rose to its highest level ever, 25.8 percent.


    Among other highlights:

    The nation's official poverty rate climbed to 12.5 percent last year, up from 12.1 percent in 2002, as an additional 1.3 million Americans fell into poverty.

    The poverty rate for children rose slightly to 17.6 percent.

    Forty-five million Americans were without health insurance coverage last year, an increase of 1.4 million over the year before.

    With an estimated 31.3 percent of its people in poverty, Cleveland topped the list of impoverished big cities for the first time in the four years census officials have conducted the American Community Survey.

    It was not a steep fall. In 2000, the city's poverty rate of 24.3 percent ranked sixth nationally; by 2002, Cleveland ranked third, with 30.6 percent of its people in poverty.

    Cleveland's poverty rates actually dropped sharply during the booming national economy of the late 1990s, only to surge again since 2000, said Coulton, co-director of Case's Center on Urban Poverty and Social Change.
    Higher ground for the apocalypse!

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    Jane Campbell is a moron. Between the schools, lack of police and other city services I'm not surprised.

    I'm a "hommie", but my house will be on the market and I'll be moving to within the year. Sooner if any of the tax measures pass in November.

    Cleveland exists to service the poor/sick and is a money pit for the State and Federal governments. In most cases, if you are not poor, you work for the government or a tax funded agency.

    Good Luck,

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    Some of the happiest people I've met have been some of the poorest.

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    Shouldn't this thread be in P&R?

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    What's political about poverty?
    Higher ground for the apocalypse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lala
    What's political about poverty?
    http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/...s/03218337.asp

    http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0303-01.htm

    http://americanradioworks.publicradi...es/14_million/

    http://www.workingforchange.com/arti...m?ItemID=11071

    (I do not support and/or agree with the links. Just an example of how poverty and politcs are connected)

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    What's Foo about poverty???

    PS - I guess these poor folk in Cleveland are the swing voters W's trying to convince to vote for him with his lies....

    And Ehenz is getting out. How typically middle-class wannabe Republican. Thanks for staying away from Portland...

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya
    What's Foo about poverty???

    PS - I guess these poor folk in Cleveland are the swing voters W's trying to convince to vote for him with his lies....

    And Ehenz is getting out. How typically middle-class wannabe Republican. Thanks for staying away from Portland...
    Sorry, no swing votes in Cleveland.

    Yep, 40 years is enough.

    Where do you think I'm moving

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    Can't escape the deindustralization of America. San Diego has lots of industry. It is Republican. For the non-tech sector, jobs are scarce and the city is broke. Maybe we can all move to Tijuana and get jobs..At least then ,we are guaranteed health care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehenz
    Where do you think I'm moving
    If you really are coming to Portland, my guess is that you'll land in the swamp in the Republican suburbs, with all the rest of the overweight SUV drivers...

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    Hasn't Cleveland been run by Democrats for a very long time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by randya
    If you really are coming to Portland, my guess is that you'll land in the swamp in the Republican suburbs, with all the rest of the overweight SUV drivers...
    No your lucky, I'll be staying here until the parents are gone.

    For the record I grew up very poor, on welfare, and I currently pedal more miles than I drive (that changes in November due to weather). But, I'm still considered poor by many standards and most roadies flip me off no matter how I pass...go figure, must be karma?

    Hasn't Cleveland been run by Democrats for a very long time?
    Yes, it has.

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    I was being disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lala
    What's political about poverty?
    Higher ground for the apocalypse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lala
    Cleveland No.1 in big-city poverty
    Nearly half of children among the poor.
    Take that, East St. Louis!
    You're east of East St. Louis
    And the wind is making speeches.

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    I do not know why we pick on any one large American city...Almost all large cities suffer from the same malaise. Just ot varrying degrees..NPR quoted study tonight . NYC has gained like 1/2 million new residents into poverty in the past year..It has rates of child deaths greater than many African countries ; so the report said. Should you escape to another city, it will be the same old story in years to come.
    Use, abuse, and abandon.The suburbs will absorb those who can flee.
    Some societies build up their cities to be museum pieces, the height of their civilization..
    Investing in your nations' center is no waste of funds.. Newark, New York, Washington, DC. Miami..All look abandoned relics to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclezealot
    The suburbs will absorb those who can flee.
    The suburbs will die as geological and geopolitical forces converge and oil becomes scarcer and supplies and prices become erratic. Urban living is more efficient and sustainable than suburban living. In the better-managed cities in the US (and Canada), there have been recent influxes of suburbanites to the urban areas. Good land use policies, zoning codes and growth management make it both possible and desirable. I'm not sure it's really possible to save some of the older northeast and midwest industrial cities - or even some of the newer southern and sunbelt cities - too much sprawl, and do they really have any local economies left now that most of our "consumer goods" are manufactured abroad?
    Last edited by randya; 09-02-04 at 11:33 PM.

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    Randa. Do not disagree...Just stating our cultural tradition of fleeing our problems..Our mobile culture with no roots.
    Many of these issues are dealt with in the books "Asphalt Nation," and "Home from Nowhere." Popular around these parts,I think.
    Not just urban flight , but back from the very beginning..Guess, maybe the science of the time...In colonial tobacco culture of the US...learn crop rotation from the Indians. No flee to Tennessee...
    As to my experience with urban areas...That is where you might be able to find a bar where everyone knows your name..
    A busy city with a local cultural center. That is where you might not feel alone.. With our energy future, we will be forced to return to our roots, I predict.

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    Because we live there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclezealot
    I do not know why we pick on any one large American city....
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