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Old 06-01-10, 07:55 AM   #1
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Useless time wasting camera photo poll thread

because i am home today, too sick to go to work and in dire need of sleep (averaged about 3 hrs/night for the last 4 nights) but feeling too cruddy to even lay down and die at present.

I have a beater 1970s Vivitar film SLR (220 / SL). My wife bought a 28mm wide angle and a 135mm telephoto (nothing great, Vivitar and Albinar, respectively, not a Series 1 or anything remotely valuable) to compliment the Vivitar 50mm prime and we've used the camera a lot until a digital P&S finally usurped it around 5 years ago.

I started shooting film again last year; I have two nicer cameras but still like dragging the Vivitar out on hikes and whatnot with me, or banging around in my messenger bag.

Two Problems -

1. as long as I have the old beater my nicer cameras don't get as much use.

2. the viewfinder mirror keeps falling loose in the Vivitar. Thhis happened once while my wife was banging around England and Ireland and she just popped the lens off and Krazy Glued it back in place - that held for about 15 years but it came loose twice in the last two weeks, Freshly Krazy glued and all.

I am wondering whether it's time to ditch the old body and/or lenses. I have checked ebay steadily and these Vivitars fetch $0 - you can barely give them away; which btw I would probably do for a person just getting started in film. But I was also wondering about getting an adapter for my Pentax K1000. I am only considering this because the Pentax only has a standard 50mm and it'd be nice to have the wide angle and longer lenses if I start dragging that one around outdoors with me. I'm not really interested in buying more K mount lenses.

It has the standard Pentax K-mount and my vivitar's lenses are the old M42 screw mount. I've read conflicting stuff online bout how well the adapters work - most agree the Asahi Pentax brand ring is the one to get if I want to avoid getting the ring stuck in my camera body (Are they even still available?). Some say you must stop-down meter but I have seen that some rings have a flange like the Vivitar's body which activates the auto-diaphragm pin on my M42 lenses. One good thing is supposedly Pentax designed the k mount to work well with their adapter in that it will place the M42s in their proper distance from the film plane.

This poll is totally irrelevant, even to me (I don't even have the money to buy stuff) but I figure I may as well waste everybody else's time today too. It's not like you wanna be back at work, right?

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poll fail


wow, i really am out of it today...I couldn't even get that together.

I guess my choices for votes would have been -

1. would you just say whatever, keep the old Vivitar as a knockaround, and carry Krazy Glue just in case (It's foiled me twice while out shooting in as many weekends)


2. toss/give away the Vivitar body and get an adapter for the Pentax so I can use the Vivi lenses? (btw, the Pentax lens is a f1:2 while the Vivitar 50mm and 28mm are a bit faster, 1:8, and have an auto/manual selector switch). I neglected to mention, my wife also got a M42 2x converter, so the 135mm can become a cheapo 270mm, or I can use the prime as a 100mm. Btw, any recommendations for a good adapter that won't ruin my Pentax body are appreciated....


3. toss/give away the Vivitar body and lenses (or maybe trade for another decent K-mount lens?) and just use the K1000 as a beater?


4. forget about cameras right now, take some powerful meds and go to bed.
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Maybe #4 is the best choice....I just almost burned the apartment down trying to make some tea.
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Maybe #4 is the best choice....I just almost burned the apartment down trying to make some tea.
I've heard many a golfer concur with this.
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5. Switch over entirely to digital. No matter which option you take with your film cameras, you'll eventually spend more on film/processing/prints than you would on a decent digital outfit.
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Digital is for weaklings. And the cost diffference? Baloney. Good prints cost money, no matter whether you start with film or digital. And DIY is cheap for film, esp. b&w.

Dump all the vivitar/pentax stuff. Get an old Olympus OM-series, like an OM-2n. Great cameras, relatively lightweight, top-of-the-line lenses. You can get a complete kit in good condition for under $100 these days.
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I've thought about dumping my pentax too - those still sell pretty well.

The Olympus looks nice but I have a good quality system, my other camera is a Nikon F2, which I've been happy to use around the house and yard but it's a bit heavy/bulky to carry on the bike. I like shooting film, but I will admit the little digi p&s is much easier to live with when on the go, especially if we're talking long ride, shove a camera in a jersey pocket, naturally.

I definitely don't NEED either the Vivtar or the Pentax.

In fact what I really need is sleep...


but please don't let that stop you from keeping the advice coming.
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You lost me after you did not write POINT AND SHOOT. I still have problems with those even. Heck I cannot even operate my cell phone camera.

Last week, while taking the family out to eat, had a redneck in a Dodge p/u use the bike lane on my right as the passing lane. This is in a residential area and i was driving at the posted speed limit. Next redlight, I am behind the truck so I grab my cell and stick it out the window to get a picture of the truck and license plate to send to the local cops. What I got was picture of one of my fingertips. NICE!
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Here's another option,

Give the Pentax to me.
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The Olympus looks nice but I have a good quality system, my other camera is a Nikon F2, which I've been happy to use around the house and yard but it's a bit heavy/bulky to carry on the bike.
I do carry my F2 on my bike, sometimes even with two lenses, in a sling pack. It's doable, but you really have to want to. The Koni-Omega, on the other hand, I leave home.
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You lost me after you did not write POINT AND SHOOT. I still have problems with those even. Heck I cannot even operate my cell phone camera.

Last week, while taking the family out to eat, had a redneck in a Dodge p/u use the bike lane on my right as the passing lane. This is in a residential area and i was driving at the posted speed limit. Next redlight, I am behind the truck so I grab my cell and stick it out the window to get a picture of the truck and license plate to send to the local cops. What I got was picture of one of my fingertips. NICE!
Ironically, the first time my mirror fell off we were hiking in NYC (yes, I said NY City) and two young rednecks rode by in a pickup and told my whole group I was gay. Just me.



Maybe it was the Vivitar...I better start carrying the Nikon, huh?
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you should stick to fedoras, just sayin.
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get the k/m42 adapter or another (working) m42 camera (praktika, viviter, pentax, fuji, zenit etc) whatever one is cheaper. sounds like your vivitar and lenses make a nice package to shoot with.
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Step up to a Hasselblad.
Their non-auto focus stuff is going for a song now a days.
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Oh yeah, now that's a bike-friendly kit! A Mamiya 7 would be better for travel, but not for the wallet, though (sadly). Or a Fuji 670.
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I shoot mostly digital, myself, because my film cameras take very expensive film. I use 120/220 (for my Rollieflex), and 8X10 sheet film. As to my B&W stuff, I am still hooked on Kodak Technical Pan, but I'm going to have to switch soon, because I'm down tyo 5 rolls and 50 8X10 sheets in the freezer.....it hasn't been made in about a decade.

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Dump all the vivitar/pentax stuff. Get an old Olympus OM-series, like an OM-2n. Great cameras, relatively lightweight, top-of-the-line lenses. You can get a complete kit in good condition for under $100 these days.
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Ilford's films are good.
I like their 50 speed very much.
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I like their 50 speed very much.
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Please tell Mrs G that as always... she is looking amazing... which is only helped by you looking like a complete dork here.

Mind you... pretty girls do that to me as well... especially one of them.

Tired and cranky as she was tonight she gave me that smile that puts the hair up on the back of my neck... and then went to bed.

Anyways... what were we talking about ?

Cameras... film... yeah... that's it.

I live in a digital world now... has been a long time since I used film.
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I shoot mostly digital, myself, because my film cameras take very expensive film. I use 120/220 (for my Rollieflex), and 8X10 sheet film. As to my B&W stuff, I am still hooked on Kodak Technical Pan, but I'm going to have to switch soon, because I'm down tyo 5 rolls and 50 8X10 sheets in the freezer.....it hasn't been made in about a decade.
120 is not very expensive. Though I understand about the 8x10--my Speed Graphic is large enough for me, thanks. The film is a lot cheaper.

I've got a 25-year-old box of Super-XX to find a use for.
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Please tell Mrs G that as always... she is looking amazing... which is only helped by you looking like a complete dork here.
Thanks Sixty - that gave her a smile this morning.

I'm looking through the Vivitar again this AM and there is all sorts of schmeck there that wasn't there before - gonna try and clean it up but if I can't clean the mirror/focusing screen, it's history.

In which case I may just pop in to B&H and see what M42 adapters they have for the Pentax. Mine is a late 80s (Hong Kong/metal) K1000, btw and there is some slow shutter speed bounce/noise, so I'm not wanting to invest a lot of money there, in lenses or adapters. I will say the K1000 is a fun camera to shoot with - light, simple, compact.

Having said that....I would love to get a 120 camera for home use. In which case I guess I'd be better off just carrying the Nikon on the bike.
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