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    OK, I don't get it.

    So I'm watching James Taylor and Carole King on PBS, listening to one beautiful killer song these two wrote after another, songs so beautiful and timeless, and I'm wondering - where are the killer song writers of today? Has public taste gotten so lame that good songs get no traction? I mean, I hear one every now and again (a couple of times annually), but the general quality of contemporary song writing is so bad, it's depressing. I listen to these pop songs, striving to hear something good in the writing, and man, it's just not there. Even if I don't particulary care for contemporary chart topping act like the Black Eyed Peas, if the song was good, it would speak for itself, and I'd like it. But it's not happening.

    I hear more good songs coming out of country music than the other genres. But that's really quite sad in my view.

    Hey, a good song reverberates decades later, 'Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow' or 'Natural Woman' or 'Carolina In My Mind' are still such beautiful songs that anyone who can strum a chord and hold a vocal note can scare them up and bring a smile to a room of people. You can say the same for great pop songs from earlier eras (think back to the great Broadway classic musicals of R & Hammerstein, etc.).

    I don't think this is generational, because I like music from my parents' era. I like good songs. I like songs with hooks. I like songs with great melodies.

    So where the F are they?

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    Relax grandpa pcad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdon View Post
    Relax grandpa pcad.
    Whatever kid. It sucks. It's pathetic. I don't get it.

    Maybe creative people are too sober to write great songs today. For all I know you need a doobie, a few tabs of acid and an eight ball of blow chased by a fifth of Stoli to write a good song, and nobody does enough of that anymore.

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    Dude, I hate to pop your balloon, but those people stink. LOL

    Just start listening to Kurt Rosenwinkel, and other modern jazz artists. Have you ever been to Small's Jazz Club in Greenwich Village? Go see Ari and his band tomorrow night... they usually play on Mondays. Awesome stuff.

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    Too many changes in society, too many 'get rich quick' attitudes on all ends of the industry. From the people that write quickie words that go along to bumping music to the producers that put them out to make a buck. I agree wholeheartedly on the country music front. Music that the whole family can listen to and not have to wonder if it's something that has too many cuss words or provocative scenes for the mind to imagine.

    Notice that a lot of today's "artists" don't stick around to long or are one hit wonders.

    I feel the same about music. A lot of it is computer generated now. No more real brass, drums or strings, as of late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluevelo View Post
    but those people stink.
    Uh-huh. You and botto can vie for the coveted BF Tin Ear title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind View Post

    I feel the same about music. A lot of it is computer generated now. No more real brass, drums or strings, as of late.
    That's a side issue. So is country music and who it appeals to. I'm strictly talking melody structure, songs with melodies and hooks that work.

    Hey, I'm a guitar player, so the fact that you never hear guitar solos or even much guitar-driven rock bums me out, but that's part of shifting musical tastes, that's easier to understand. The lack of quality song writing is far more puzzling and disturbing for a music fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    That's a side issue. So is country music and who it appeals to. I'm strictly talking melody structure, songs with melodies and hooks that work.

    Hey, I'm a guitar player, so the fact that you never hear guitar solos or even much guitar-driven rock bums me out, but that's part of shifting musical tastes, that's easier to understand. The lack of quality song writing is far more puzzling and disturbing for a music fan.
    A lot of alt-rock does not have solos, and that's where the lack of soloing comes from... the shredders have moved over to metal and death metal now. And if you listen to country music at all - that's where a lot of the soft rock has gone as well as the guitar solos that went with it. (shrug).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluevelo View Post
    And if you listen to country music at all - that's where a lot of the soft rock has gone as well as the guitar solos that went with it. (shrug).
    I'd agree. That's where a lot of the better song writing seems to be, but I'm not sure if that's more of a comment on current tastes in pop music. I can't quite figure it out, it's puzzling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    I have a sixteen year daughter, I'm blasted with pop culture on a daily basis. I roll my eyes skyward, go for a bike ride, and crank the friggin iPod.

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    Melody is dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluevelo View Post
    Dude, I hate to pop your balloon, but those people stink. LOL

    Just start listening to Kurt Rosenwinkel, and other modern jazz artists. Have you ever been to Small's Jazz Club in Greenwich Village? Go see Ari and his band tomorrow night... they usually play on Mondays. Awesome stuff.
    I'd rather listen to fingernails on a chalk board than jazz.

    I get where pcad is coming from. I don't hear a lot of quality kick ass music these days. Mind you, I don't listen to country either.

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    Oh, and what you're calling "country" ain't "country". That's dead, too.
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    Americana/alt-country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    I have a sixteen year daughter, I'm blasted with pop culture on a daily basis. I roll my eyes skyward, go for a bike ride, and crank the friggin iPod.
    I'm just saying that if you don't get it, perhaps it's time for a paradigm shift.

    I'm still finding a lot of new music I like. Most of it drivel, yes, but that's always been the case. Take the time to sift.
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    NSFW for sure: (pop country really sucks)

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    i wonder if it is as boring an explanation as a radical change in the distribution model of the music industry. when record companies can command the whole nation's (or even world's) attention with a promotion, new act, etc. and then once the hit happens they can then milk that band for years to come, this lends itself to treating new talent as an incubator. today, you have to make a big pile and you have to make it fast because some new act has a greater chance of getting exposure through the plethora of new media and will knock off your new band. Why invest in new talent especially if that new talent has a special quality and you can see potential but is actually a bit rough to start with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Hey, a good song reverberates decades later, 'Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow' or 'Natural Woman' or 'Carolina In My Mind' are still such beautiful songs that anyone who can strum a chord and hold a vocal note can scare them up and bring a smile to a room of people. You can say the same for great pop songs from earlier eras (think back to the great Broadway classic musicals of R & Hammerstein, etc.).
    These songs are awful.

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    Popular music, like everything else, follows Sturgeon's Law. 80% of everything is crap. If you go back and listen to all the music that was performed back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, or whenever, most of it was schlock or drivel. Only the best of those eras is still listened to. It will probably be the same with today's music.
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    people who become attached to a certain "state of things" always feel that the world is going from bad to worse, because it's always changing. in music, it's ALWAYS the End Of The World, and people always use the same words and phrases to describe it. in the 60's, Max Roach was decrying the end of quality music because of what he called "freedom music" that "anyone can play." he felt that no one cared about quality anymore, just churning out new trends or whatever, but this was before the period that most people these days are attached to! go back a few decades and Shoenberg was saying the same thing! some 50-year-old was probably listening to David playing his lyre and thinking *adopts curmudgeon voice* "no one cares about song structure any more!"

    it's not just in music, though. there has never been a moralist that didn't feel that the world was going from bad to worse! you would think that we were baby-eating chicken-raping arsonists with a taste for cold blooded murder, given the centuries of percieved decline. turns out, though, that we're not! the world is a much better place to live in so many ways (especially for children)... it's just that the constant change makes it seem strange and threatening.

    that's just me talking, $.02, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    I have a sixteen year daughter, I'm blasted with pop culture on a daily basis. I roll my eyes skyward, go for a bike ride, and crank the friggin iPod.
    At the age of sixteen, it's possible she may not have her finger on the pulse of the best modern music. If your world feels bereft of good new music, you may not be looking hard enough.

    That's as generous as I can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluevelo View Post
    Dude, I hate to pop your balloon, but those people stink. LOL
    That's why people have paid to see them or buy their music for longer than you've been alive.
    Let's see how many of your favs are still popular in 40 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    That's why people have paid to see them or buy their music for longer than you've been alive.
    Let's see how many of your favs are still popular in 40 years.
    And people keep shoving billions and billions of McDonald's burgers down their gullets too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metzinger View Post
    At the age of sixteen, it's possible she may not have her finger on the pulse of the best modern music. If your world feels bereft of good new music, you may not be looking hard enough.

    That's as generous as I can be.
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    Admittedly I am not as critical of music as the rest of you appear to be. But I've discovered many decent artists via lastfm, pandora, et al.

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