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Old 06-10-10, 07:15 PM   #1
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Resume program............

It has been quite a while since I have posted here but I have always gotten a great deal of good advice and now I am back, asking what may be the most important question I have ever asked.

Resume Program? Any favorites out there?

Today we were told our state agency may take a 50% budget hit and I expect to be laid off at the end of the month.

As a 59 year old who hasn't had a resume in 20 years I am more than a bit concerned. Actually I am terrified.

Since I was never good at marketing myself I feel I need all the help I can get, and thus my interest in any programs that can offer me any benefit.

I don't really recognize many of the names here anymore but I hope the helpfulness is still there.
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Old 06-10-10, 07:55 PM   #2
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I reformatted my resume recently and helped a couple people do the same. Places will charge you anywhere from $250 to $750+ for a professional rewrite. Many times those services are things you could easily do on your own given a day or two. Here's a link to an article that looks at a "before and after" scenario. I modeled my resume after one of these and had tons of hits. If you don't want to spend a ton of money, you don't have to.

A couple of things that have worked well for me and others I know:
1) have a list of "core competencies" near the top.
2) Assume that people aren't going to spend more than 30 seconds doing an initial scan of your resume. Make sure people have a good idea who you are once they reach that limit.
3) Stick to 2 pages.
4) When rewriting your job descriptions, think how you would describe each position in 1-2 minutes. What were your key contributions? If you have to make up a "30 second elevator speech" about the same position, what would you say? Use these answers as the basis for the descriptions you use for each of your jobs.


http://up.theladders.com/career-advi...sume%20contest

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Old 06-10-10, 10:59 PM   #3
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Check out this site for starters:
http://www.dol.gov/vets/programs/tap/

It's the pub for the program for service members transitioning to civilian life. You may not be leaving military service, but the theory is the same (someone out of the normal job hunt loop for awhile attempting to convert their actual skills into marketable skills).

If nothing else, they do a good job of explaining different types of resumes, what kind of things to list, how to translate skills, etc.

According to the DOL reps at my TAP class, most of the information is based on feedback from employers.

If you use this, I'll suggest two things. First, be prepared to write up a general resume to keep with you at job fairs and such, as well as targeted resumes for specific applications. Second, keep a separate doc with all the different bullets you write up for your targeted resumes because you'll reuse/amend them as you go.
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Old 06-11-10, 09:12 AM   #4
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Today we were told our state agency may take a 50% budget hit and I expect to be laid off at the end of the month.

As a 59 year old
You are screwed. No one will hire you for these reasons:

1. You are too old. No one is going to tell you that, but you are.

2. Your recent work history is with a government agency. Private employers will assume that you have a poor work ethic.
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Old 06-11-10, 09:18 AM   #5
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I don't really recognize many of the names here anymore but I hope the helpfulness is still there.
64% will be helpful; 32% will seem unhelpful but actually are very helpful once you sort through the flippancy; and the remaing 9% will be [fill in the blank with anything but helpful].

Hope that helps!
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Old 06-11-10, 09:21 AM   #6
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So, is it the helpful, friendly place you remember?
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Old 06-11-10, 09:31 AM   #7
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You are screwed. No one will hire you for these reasons:

1. You are too old. No one is going to tell you that, but you are.

2. Your recent work history is with a government agency. Private employers will assume that you have a poor work ethic.
Depends on what he applies for and what his area of specialty is. Consulting may be an option.

Hey LastPlace, did you get to do much hiring yourself? If so, when thinking about how to market yourself, think about the things other people tried and how well it worked. Be aware that there are significant cultural differences between environments and every resume should be crafted for the individual position.

One of the disadvantages of working in the same place for a long time is you can get weird local culture wired into your brain and not be aware of it. Try to become very aware of this stuff because it can make a huge difference.
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Old 06-11-10, 01:18 PM   #8
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First of all, let me say that I appreciate all of the replies, and the board does seem to be as helpful as before. It even has some of the same wit.

As for myself, I am a photographer who shot news for twenty years before I began working for the state doing similar tasks. At my previous job I did some hiring, and budgeting, but here I have been pigeon-holed for a few years, but as a friend of mine says, 'if you like what you do it isn't a rut, it's a groove'. That's in spite of the 12 hour days and the weekends and split shifts I have worked over the years.

When I began at this agency there were just over 300 staff members and now we are at 150 and shrinking rapidly. Admittedly, PBS and their affiliates, such as the station I work at, were once the only source for programming for children, and while we still feature great programming, we may be an answer to a question that's no longer being asked.

I am realistic enough to know that at my age my options may be limited, but I have to move on and keep trying. In my case there is just myself, whereas some of the people let go last week had families and far more obligations than I have. The other side of that coin is they have support options that as a very private person I might not have.

My original post was about the 'resume programs' I have seen at the big box stores but I will check out all the sites everyone has mentioned.

Any further thoughts would be greatly appreciated and I do hope everyone has a great weekend.
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My original post was about the 'resume programs' I have seen at the big box stores but I will check out all the sites everyone has mentioned.
The thing about modern FOO is that the original post only applies to the original post.
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The thing about modern FOO is that the original post only applies to the original post.

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I worked for one of the academic departments when I went back to school, and one of the jobs I had was processing packages for applicants to both educational programs and faculty positions. I can tell you that the resume program resumes were obvious.

I've also been told by numerous people who've sat on hiring committees that resume programs often don't do as good of a job of selling the candidate. Take that however you want though.


You're probably better using online resources to develop your resume, then paying a reputable service to refine it.
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Old 06-11-10, 07:58 PM   #12
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Do you have any friends who are in managerial positions? I am fortunate to have friends who work in upper management at large corporations. When I wanted to update my resume, I sent it to one of them and they were more than happy to tweak it for me.
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For an actual resume formatting program, Office has PLENTY of templates.

I would suggest you check out your state job posting site, and think "education". There are plenty of opportunities for photogs in HS art departments and Community Colleges - there are lots of folks your age who have been teaching and are now retiring, leaving a huge hole in the faculty applicant pool.

Think also - "community education" - where you go through a central office that registers people & collects tuition & fees for short enrichment classes, and you hold a class everytime the class fills up with enough people to pay the freight (whether it be 8, 10, 15 or 20). Each person may feel your expertise is worth - say - $150 - that's $1500 for 10 people for maybe 3 or 4 hours of your time? This route may cushion your wallet while you find something more permanant. Good luck!
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Think also - "community education" - where you go through a central office that registers people & collects tuition & fees for short enrichment classes, and you hold a class everytime the class fills up with enough people to pay the freight (whether it be 8, 10, 15 or 20). Each person may feel your expertise is worth - say - $150 - that's $1500 for 10 people for maybe 3 or 4 hours of your time? This route may cushion your wallet while you find something more permanant. Good luck!

Several of the universities in my area have "extension schools" where outside instructors create the courses and the school markets them. Some let you define what you think an appropriate fee would be to take the class. Definitely check it out.
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...I am a photographer who shot news for twenty years before I began working for the state doing similar tasks. At my previous job I did some hiring, and budgeting, but here I have been pigeon-holed for a few years, but as a friend of mine says, 'if you like what you do it isn't a rut, it's a groove'. That's in spite of the 12 hour days and the weekends and split shifts I have worked over the years.

When I began at this agency there were just over 300 staff members and now we are at 150 and shrinking rapidly. Admittedly, PBS and their affiliates, such as the station I work at, were once the only source for programming for children, and while we still feature great programming, we may be an answer to a question that's no longer being asked.

I am realistic enough to know that at my age my options may be limited, but I have to move on and keep trying....

My original post was about the 'resume programs' I have seen at the big box stores but I will check out all the sites everyone has mentioned.
Screw the resume programs -- I don't think they'll help you. You sound like you have a specialized skill set that should be appealing to someone, and your choice of profession is such I don't think your age is the kiss of death. Resume programs are mostly for newbies.

You need to focus on your contacts (develop more if your list is lacking) Talk to people in your business and get direct advice from them. Hang out in the right places and get on the inside track.
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2. Your recent work history is with a government agency. Private employers will assume that you have a poor work ethic.
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