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Old 07-06-10, 04:15 AM   #1
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Ebay fraud - shill bidder convicted

How many of you are are quaking in your boots?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10494724.stm

An eBay trader has been given a community service order and made to pay nearly 5,000 in fines and costs for bidding on his own items to increase the price....

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Barrett became the first person in the UK to be prosecuted over online auction fixing after admitting that he used two separate eBay accounts to bid against himself.
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Old 07-06-10, 06:23 AM   #2
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hope they don't make sniping illegal.
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Old 07-06-10, 06:45 AM   #3
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maybe it is time to take a look at ebay again. i bet this news would have scared a lot of people off from shilling although i just can't see how they would ever prove it.
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Old 07-06-10, 06:47 AM   #4
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Wow, people used to do that about 10 years ago, to be honest I am shocked that people still do this!
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Old 07-06-10, 06:51 AM   #5
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i think it is the norm now. i gave up checking on ebay when everythig i wanted ended up being sold for more than it would cost if i could get it new.
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Old 07-06-10, 07:15 AM   #6
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^^ +1
and the feedback system sucks. People can leave negative feedback even about things that they were informed of in advance and the seller can't do anything about it.
As in "I don't like the color of this item." Totally unfair when the seller has a disclaimer that says colors can appear differently on other monitors. I have a friend who got negative feedback because she "overcharged" for postage even though it came out to 5 cents difference. Many people state they have fixed shipping costs ($X for the first item, $Y for each additional) which may or may not be the actual postage - but when people have a ton of packages to mail out, they may not have time to price each package individually (hence the fixed cost).


I've fortunately not had much trouble with ebay in terms of selling, but I hate the system so I decided to make a zencart website to sell my stuff.

With shill bidding being what it is, I very rarely bid on anything anymore.
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Old 07-06-10, 07:27 AM   #7
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^^ +1
and the feedback system sucks. People can leave negative feedback even about things that they were informed of in advance and the seller can't do anything about it.
As in "I don't like the color of this item." Totally unfair when the seller has a disclaimer that says colors can appear differently on other monitors. I have a friend who got negative feedback because she "overcharged" for postage even though it came out to 5 cents difference. Many people state they have fixed shipping costs ($X for the first item, $Y for each additional) which may or may not be the actual postage - but when people have a ton of packages to mail out, they may not have time to price each package individually (hence the fixed cost).


I've fortunately not had much trouble with ebay in terms of selling, but I hate the system so I decided to make a zencart website to sell my stuff.

With shill bidding being what it is, I very rarely bid on anything anymore.
I actually think the feedback system works pretty well.

If a seller gets negative feedback they are allowed to respond to that feedback. They can explain 'Listing clearly stated actual item may be a slightly different color.'

Also, its important to keep sellers in check with regards to shipping costs. Too many sellers will underprice and item and then overcharge on the shipping end. Of course, this doesn't just happen on ebay - nearly every item sold on TV does the same. Nonetheless, I think the shipping charge element of feedback helps keep shipping charges closer to the actual charges.
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^^^^I don't mean to be combative, but I disagree somewhat with your comments. Sites like Etsy have a much better feedback system where people can "kiss and make up". On ebay, you're stuck with bad comments even if you can rebut them. The fact that ebay doesn't do that leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion.

REgarding shipping, I think we're talking about two totally different cases. You're talking about people who set ridiculously high shipping prices to make up the difference on low priced goods. I've seen extremely where the shipping is several dollars more than it should be for shipping and "handling" (whatever that is).

I'm talking about situations where people bicker over 5 to 10 cent differences and can then leave negative feedback because of it. Never mind the fact that the person used up that amount in gas to drive to the post office but doesn't charge a handling fee...Ebay does have a lot of issues and the feedback system is one of them. It is also very time consuming in some cases to look up the negative feedback to find out what happened. People often don't have time to dig through pages of info to find out why the bad feedback was given. Other systems make that much easier. Ebay doesn't.
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when i first got back to cycling few years ago, i saw a bikes direct bike on ebay, a motobecane, and i didn't want to spend much on a new hobby i may not stick with. seeing how dirt cheap it was on their website and people on BF constantly arguing about them i was more knowledgeable about them than the average brit. i thought it might go for a real bargain, being cheap new to start with, then brought here where no one knows what it is.

i went to see the bike in person and i thought it was great and a real upgrade on my old steel bike found in the shed. i offered a good premium over the current bidding and the guy said no he expected it to go for x which unsurprisingly was a little more than what i offered. sure enough when the bidding ended, it happened to be what he asked for. yeah right. pull the other one.
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I don't like eBay's rating system. If someone gives negative feedback, they can't take it away. Instead, I'd like to see some option to give negative feedback unless the problem is resolved in "x" amount of time.

Best of all worlds is to have an auction site which does all the work for everyone. Sellers ship the items to the auction site with the bids they want set up. Buyers bid on stuff from the auction site, winner pays the auction site. Auction site then ships the item to the winner, and the seller gets their money. Everyone is happy, and sellers will be hard pressed to commit fraud because a third party inspects the goods before listing. This way, if someone lists a "p-p-powerbook", it will be listed as a paper folder with keys glued to it as opposed to a computer. Of course buyer fraud will be an issue, but a big company will have more resources to stomp on fraudsters than having individual sellers deal with the scumbags.
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Oh noes.
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Is shill-bidding illegal in U.S.?
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After my Ebay ID was stolen, then my paypal ID was stolen, then my credit card, I was ready to give up. Then a woman who responded to my ad that clearly stated " Postal Money orders only", got mad at me because I wanted to wait for her personal check to clear, was enough stupidity for me to quit Ebay.
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