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    The cap seems to be working!

    Just watched some live video on CNN of a now capped well in the Gulf of Mexico. I told one of the guys in the office that I felt a sense of relief seeing the images. Did not realize how much the oil spill was affecting me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Just watched some live video on CNN of a now capped well in the Gulf of Mexico. I told one of the guys in the office that I felt a sense of relief seeing the images. Did not realize how much the oil spill was affecting me.
    Let's hope it holds!
    I love the gulf beaches....I have been heartbroken over this whole thing.

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    This is a temporary solution. They still need to complete a relief well to kill the pressure. The first hurricane that blows the fpso off the site will result in the flow resuming.

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    From what I understand, it seems like they know how to stop the oil flow by blocking the pipe permanently, but they're putting that off in hopes of keeping the well functional. Which pisses me off, since they know how to permanently seal it, but they've been pissing around with "cap this, cap that, funnel funnel blabblah". I really hope I'm wrong. You're not the only one who is angry and upset about this either.
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    Time to praise Obama on Fox News
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    I've been working in Houma, LA for the last two weeks with the Coast Guard and BP doing aviation asset scheduling. The thing to watch is the pressure on the stack. At the briefing this morning, the engineers were saying @8500psi was nominal. Anything less, or more, and there might be a problem. I sure as hell hope this works because I want to go home.

    The delay with the relief well that will kill it permanently was due to seismic scanning yesterday morning through about noon. A boat load of boats were moved away from leak site so extensive scanning of the surface and subsurface geological and well structure could be assessed prior to the valves being closed. If the original well casing was cracked, you would get serious erosion and subsequent failure of the structure on top of the well (the blow out preventer). Anyway, I'm parroting what I was told and deserve a ******* after that explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeecake View Post
    From what I understand, it seems like they know how to stop the oil flow by blocking the pipe permanently, but they're putting that off in hopes of keeping the well functional. Which pisses me off, since they know how to permanently seal it, but they've been pissing around with "cap this, cap that, funnel funnel blabblah". I really hope I'm wrong. You're not the only one who is angry and upset about this either.
    nope...the pressures inside that well are likely in the range of 15,000+ psi. If they cap it wrong, they can rupture the well lining. If that happens, there's little chance of it ever being capped properly. Then it'll leak oil for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercator View Post
    This is a temporary solution. They still need to complete a relief well to kill the pressure. The first hurricane that blows the fpso off the site will result in the flow resuming.
    It's temporary, yes, but a hurricane won't necessarily result in more oil going into the gulf. Part of the purpose of this test is to see if they can completely block the flow, at least temporarily.

    Quote Originally Posted by coffeecake View Post
    From what I understand, it seems like they know how to stop the oil flow by blocking the pipe permanently, but they're putting that off in hopes of keeping the well functional. Which pisses me off, since they know how to permanently seal it, but they've been pissing around with "cap this, cap that, funnel funnel blabblah". I really hope I'm wrong. You're not the only one who is angry and upset about this either.
    I'm seeing similar statements a lot, and really have no clue where they're coming from.

    Both BP and Admiral Allen have been consistently saying for the last several weeks that the final solution would be sealing the wells from the bottom using the relief wells, which aren't completed yet. They also been pretty clear that this new cap is not intended to be a permanent solution.

    The media has, as usual, been doing a really good job of making that unclear.
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    Actually, the media reports I've read made it clear that all measures were temporary until a relief well could be put into place.

    But I agree with Coffeecake's sentiment- that BP appears to be less concerned about plugging the hole than they are about harnessing the oil.
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    If BP can use seismic data to get the picture of geology and x-ray images to determine condition of the wellhead and blowout preventer and that data shows no problems, why couldn't they tap the reservior as planned?
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    it's a big relief to me as well, both for the unimaginably disasterous effects on the environment and even for the strain that it is putting on the Obama administration. that people are second guessing his administration's response to this crisis is unfair in my opinion. BP was lying about the spillage from the beginning apparently, hoping it would be resolved quickly and no one would know, and the government's initial assessment was based on these reports. where were all of these disaster-management experts two months ago?

    I hope it holds until the relief wells are completed. the New Orleans area has been through enough, and the damage will be far larger than that anyway.

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    So I was listening to NPR this AM bout the cap and the abilty to now measure hourly flow will enable the govt. to fine BP. If they are found to be criminally negligent, BP can be fined $4300 per day per barrel of oil released into the ocean is what I think I heard. The fine could be ASTRONOMICAL. Assume $4300 per barrel per day for 85 days at 30,000 barrels per day and you have a fine around $11,000,000,000.00
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    fingers crossed it holds until the relief well is done.
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    I hope nothing goes wrong. I love my shrimps. I love my fish. I love my oysters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    So I was listening to NPR this AM bout the cap and the abilty to now measure hourly flow will enable the govt. to fine BP. If they are found to be criminally negligent, BP can be fined $4300 per day per barrel of oil released into the ocean is what I think I heard. The fine could be ASTRONOMICAL. Assume $4300 per barrel per day for 85 days at 30,000 barrels per day and you have a fine around $11,000,000,000.00
    You know how it works JSHarr, government fines oil industry $11,000,000,000, oil lawyers go to work, some judge in Lubbock reduces the fine to $.11 (yes 11 cents) + government pays oil company's legal fees of $11,000,000.000
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    I hope for once you are wrong Shifty, but since a Texas politician has already apologized to BP for the way America responded to the raping of the Gulf of Mexico by BP, you are probably right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    I hope for once you are wrong Shifty, but since a Texas politician has already apologized to BP for the way America responded to the raping of the Gulf of Mexico by BP, you are probably right.
    Not that I care to defend said Texas politician, but his apology was specifically for the criticisms against BP not setting up a trust fund for the payments, not the anger over the spill.

    Congress couldn't accomplish anything else, so instead they made a huge deal about BP's plans to be able to pay.

    Anyways, Shifty's hypothetical will never fly. The Oil Spill Recovery Act pretty effectively saddles BP (and possibly their partners) with all of the cleanup costs. Sure, they'll fight as much as they can, but in the end, I'm pretty sure we'll get most of what they owe us. Even Exxon, pre-Oil Spill Recovery Act, only knocked their bill down to $4.5 billion, IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamlucky13 View Post
    Anyways, Shifty's hypothetical will never fly. The Oil Spill Recovery Act pretty effectively saddles BP (and possibly their partners) with all of the cleanup costs. Sure, they'll fight as much as they can, but in the end, I'm pretty sure we'll get most of what they owe us. Even Exxon, pre-Oil Spill Recovery Act, only knocked their bill down to $4.5 billion, IIRC.
    They'll claim the dispersants are gone along with the dispersed oil. It will take a lot of work to get them to pay to get rid of that stuff and make amends for the marine life it is taking out even though they are not getting slathered in asphalt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    I hope for once you are wrong Shifty, but since a Texas politician has already apologized to BP for the way America responded to the raping of the Gulf of Mexico by BP, you are probably right.
    A Texan apologizing to a Limey crapping on his beach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    you have a fine around $11,000,000,000.00
    Apple has over $40 billion in cash. They could pay a fine that big and have $30 billion left. I don't think $11 billion is nearly enough to put BP out of business. They are bigger than Apple.

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    Current damages and long term damages could put any corp. out of business.
    I don,t think we've seen the end of this slime for a few years yet.

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    Just a thought here, but some flame throwing goats on jet skis could clean it up rather quickly. Would make for one helluva fish fry.
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    Flame throwing goats won't work. Didn't get enough oil the last couple of days to do burns.

    However, combine a flaming throwing goat being shot out of a cannon on a jet ski and I think we can sell enough tickets to pay for Jsharr's surgery (not sure what he needs but what ever it might, it can't hurt) and/or bar tab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
    They'll claim the dispersants are gone along with the dispersed oil. It will take a lot of work to get them to pay to get rid of that stuff and make amends for the marine life it is taking out even though they are not getting slathered in asphalt.
    As I read the law, it doesn't work that way. Fines are based on the amount spilled, not the amount left uncleaned, although their cleanup or vanishing work could result in the lower end of the specified fine range being applied instead of the upper end. I couldn't find the right section again at the moment, but I think it specifies fines between $1000 and $4300 per barrel.

    FYI - I used the wrong title above. The law is called the "Oil Pollution Act."

    Personally, I remain unconvinced either way about the use of dispersants. I acknowledge the toxicity and especially the lack of prior assessment of the impacts of using so much of it. However, the oil is nearly as toxic but also physically harmful, and the dispersants help reduce the concentrations and the coatings on wildlife and plants. Since the 1.5 million+ gallons used so far can't be taken back, hopefully the EPA, NOAA, etc are all looking closely to see what effects they can discern for future consideration.

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    Apple has over $40 billion in cash. They could pay a fine that big and have $30 billion left. I don't think $11 billion is nearly enough to put BP out of business. They are bigger than Apple.
    Holy crap! I didn't believe you at first, but a quick search confirms it.

    That's actually quite a bit more cash than BP has (~$7 billion), but BP grosses almost 6 times as much as Apple annually. That leaves them with a lot of room to adjust spending without huge impacts on their margins. Cutting the dividend alone save them as much as $10 billion per year. Also, many of these costs will be realized over a period of years, spreading the impact out.
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    I'ver been wondering about the dispersants myself. I spoke with the dispersant guys on a regular basis. They said Corexit was not toxic at the rate of 5 gallons per square mile which is what they did. Published info disagrees with that statement. So, you have to weigh the toxic impact of the dispersant versus the impact of raw oil washing up on the beach or, worse, into the marshland. As far as the effectiveness of the dispersant, the dispersant guys produced a timeline chart comparing dispersant sprayed to oil on the shoreline. They were spraying in the range of 50,000 gallons per day when the spill started. The date that NOAA said oil would be on the beach came and went and no oil was on the shoreline. The EPA cut the amount of dispersant to 5,000 gallons a day. Oil was in the marshes and on the beach in a couple days. So, I would definitely say the dispersants work.
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