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    Dolce far niente bigbossman's Avatar
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    "Network aware" DVD player advice needed

    OK - so my ancient circa-late 90's Sony no-frills DVD player finally bought the farm and I need a new one. I'd like to take this opportunity to upgrade a bit, so I'm looking at progressive scan Blue Ray capable players. I've identified a nice budget model that appears to meet my needs. One important feature I want is to play streaming Netflix content through the DVD to the TV, and therein lies my question.

    I have wired Cat 5 all through the house, except the addition where the entertainment center is. I have three ports available on the hub. I could possibly drag cable there, but it would be difficult and dirty business. So, here's the question:

    Is there a way to put a wireless adapter on the DVD player, and integrate it somehow to my wired network? Is there such a product? Or, would it be best to hitch up my skirt, crawl under the house, and do battle with the rats and spiders to drag the cable?

    Ancillary question: Would throughput be better on the wire, over the air, or a wash either way?
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    Yes they do have them:

    http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=211061643

    I think wireless would be best. Plus anything beats dealing with that 's' word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MangoPumpkin View Post
    Yes they do have them:

    http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=211061643

    I think wireless would be best. Plus anything beats dealing with that 's' word.
    That's it? seems too simple a solution - I'm not usually that fortunate. Are you sure I don't need a wireless router on the other end?
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    The Linkstick does not add features to a TV that does not already have internet or DLNA features, it will only facilitate a WiFi internet connection (from your wifi home router) to allow the TV to access its internet/DLNA content.

    You're better off just getting a Playstation 3 with it's built in wi-fi and blu-ray player. The adapter's are about $70 bucks I think or more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MangoPumpkin View Post
    The Linkstick does not add features to a TV that does not already have internet or DLNA features, it will only facilitate a WiFi internet connection (from your wifi home router) to allow the TV to access its internet/DLNA content.

    You're better off just getting a Playstation 3 with it's built in wi-fi and blu-ray player. The adapter's are about $70 bucks I think or more.
    Decent quality blu ray players are only marginally cheaper than a PS3. It's a no brainer.
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    I've heard quite often that ps3s are the cheapest high quality (or highest quality cheap) blu-ray player as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbossman View Post

    Ancillary question: Would throughput be better on the wire, over the air, or a wash either way?
    Generally, wired is going to be faster. This may be oversimplified, but here goes...

    802.11a wireless: 2Mbps(or was it 5?)
    Cat3 wire: 10Mbps (10baseT)
    802.11b wireless: 11Mbps max
    802.11g wireless: 54Mbps max
    Cat5 wire: 100Mbps (100baseT) if you have a 10/100 switch
    802.11n wireless: up to 200Mbps max (but there are a lot of dependencies there)
    Cat6 wire: up to 1000Mbps if you have a gigabit (10/100/1000) switch

    I say suck it up and wire it.
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    Ok - but as stated in the OP, I don't have a wireless home router. It is Cat 5 wired. I want to know if I can adapt the DVD player to my wired nework without having to drag another cable drop.

    Looks like the answer is "no", so it's under the house I go....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbossman View Post
    Ok - but as stated in the OP, I don't have a wireless home router. It is Cat 5 wired. I want to know if I can adapt the DVD player to my wired nework without having to drag another cable drop.

    Looks like the answer is "no", so it's under the house I go....
    Linksys used to make an adapter back in the day. Try checking their site. What do you have against wireless?
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    Suck it up and run the damn cable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
    Generally, wired is going to be faster. This may be oversimplified, but here goes...
    But both cat 5 and 802.11g or n are going to be faster than the incoming network signal in most cases, so it hardly matters much, unless you are paying a heck of a lot for top-tier service.

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    Personally, I would run the wire, as I would not want all those tv and movie particles flying all around the inside of my hovel, esp. if the movies are pron.
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    You can try ethernet over powerline. Basically you plug in an adaptor and connector it two your router and plug in a second apdator and connect it to your dvd. I believe they run about 85Mbps max. I have no experience with them so I don't know how well they work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacCruiskeen View Post
    But both cat 5 and 802.11g or n are going to be faster than the incoming network signal in most cases, so it hardly matters much, unless you are paying a heck of a lot for top-tier service.
    This is true. In my house, we have an 802.11g router, and I ran cable across the house anyway to get better bandwidth to my NAS. I didn't care about the outside world as much as better response times on a network filesystem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbossman View Post
    Ok - but as stated in the OP, I don't have a wireless home router. It is Cat 5 wired. I want to know if I can adapt the DVD player to my wired nework without having to drag another cable drop.

    Looks like the answer is "no", so it's under the house I go....
    In that case, grab the spool and the punch tool and get to work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjab View Post
    Linksys used to make an adapter back in the day. Try checking their site. What do you have against wireless?
    Nothing at all, except the house is already Cat-5 wired. If I go wireless, I have to convert everything - buy a new router, adapter cards, etc.

    I just want to plug in a Netflix capable box and watch their movies or mine with the least amount of hassle. So either I drag one more cable, or I somehow convert the wireless player to work on my wired network.
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    If you buy a wireless router - you can plug either your wired devices into it or a wired switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeshoup View Post
    If you buy a wireless router - you can plug either your wired devices into it or a wired switch.
    Well, now..... thanks for this. I need to go look at a wireless router...... anything to get out of crawling under the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeshoup View Post
    If you buy a wireless router - you can plug either your wired devices into it or a wired switch.
    That is correct.
    I upgraded my wired system when "g" was the standard. Should probably upgrade to "n" but "g" is working fine. Don't have the Blueray, but do steam Netflix to my Wii wirelessly with excellent reception through 2 walls and the opposite side of house.

    The good news on the upgrade to wireless, the router has 4 10/100 ethernet ports. If your current system has more than 4 lines, you can daisy chain your existing router/switch for the additional ports. The wireless function is totally separate. Typically, I kept the desktops hardwired, and typically hardwire my laptop when sitting on the desk. However, I do gain mobility with the wireless and have even taken it out on the porch.

    When shopping for a wireless router, stick with 10/100 as 10/100/1000 is a waste. Was debating it when looked up the capacity of the cable modem which was 10/100 so would never receive a 1000 signal even if the cable co sent it. While the 1000 transfer rate COULD be obtained for file transfers between your computers on the intranet, you would have to upgrade wour entire wired system, including the wall plugs, to the Cat6 protocol.

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    I like this unit: Philips BDP5320. Has both ethernet and wireless support. Can play Divx downloaded movies as well as stream video from NetFlix and Blockbuster. Cheap too.

    As for the network, it really depends on what you want to do. I have about 14TB worth of movies on an HP SAN and I move them around to different machines for various things (transcoding, editing, etc.) If you've ever compared transferring a 4.7gb DVD across wireless versus gig-ethernet, you'd know there's a performance factor of at least 50x.

    The other thing with HD is it requires A LOT of bandwidth. DVD-quality and H264 streaming is fine with Wifi because it's compressed like crazy, quality is decent. But if you want real HD, such as playing video off a Blu-ray disc stored somewhere on your network, even fast-ethernet (100mbs) isn't up to it. Also don't forget you need the extra network-bandwidth so that your wife can get her horoscopes online, your kids can get to Facebook/MySpace, your security-cameras, baby-monitors and home-automation system will still work when you're streaming HD to your TV.

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    Danno - excellent information, thanks. I'm not all that sophisticated a user - the only time Netflix will be streaming is in the evening when the family and I watch a movie (or maybe when I'm home alone with nothing else to do), so extra bandwidth for horoscopes and youtube shouldn't be an issue. Also, I don't plan on having a movie vault on-line to watch from anywhere - the DVD player will be stacked with the rest of the home theater components next to the main TV, and that is where it will be used.

    The unit you link to looks interesting, and thanks for bringing it to my attention. I was looking at the Panasonic DMP-BD65K because it seemed to get a lot of good reviews, but the one you pointed to might be a bit cheaper.

    I'll probably just end up dragging one more cable under the house. I hate going under there, but I already have the cable, the cubes, and the crimper, so a little bit of dirt and sweat will save me the cost and setup of a wireless router.
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    Yeah, you'll be glad you took the effort to run that ethernet cable. Even the fastest N wireless has a hard-time matching 100mbps fast-ethernet in throughput and the 1st time you get tearing and stuttering streaming video, you'll swear up and down wishing you had run the cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
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    I say suck it up and wire it.
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    Suck it up and run the damn cable.
    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Personally, I would run the wire, ...
    As suggested, I would run a cable too. Or at least, before buying some expensive wifi enabled player, stream some hidef movies to a laptop over your wifi... verify if your wifi can handle the amount of data... watch out for player making pauses at action scenes with lot of camera angle changes.
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    BBM,

    Buy two Wi-Fi routers (802.11n if possible), run one at your Internet connection in Access-Point mode and one near your new player in Repeater/Bridge mode. Plug the wired Ethernet connection from your player to one of the switch ports in the bridge device and voila, connectivity galore.

    On another note, I highly recommend the LG players the don't have a heat - exhaust fan. The exhaust fan pulls air (and dust) into the DVD/Disc tray mechanism and causes frequent need to clean the laser lense. Also, the fan is one other moving part to fail.

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    Since you have the material for wired already, best to crawl under the house. $79 for the adapter + $49to79 for a router is an expensive experiment. If you ever upgrade your router, include the wireless option then - but for other reasons, like a laptop, not the TV. (When skyping it is great to walk around.)

    I have crawled under many houses (short stint as the Orkin Man ) and be glad you can. I'm on slab so it is attic and down an exterior wall. Crawling around in insulation is even less fun. In Florida, don't even think about attic work in the summer, unless you want to lose 50lbs. The interior walls, by code have fire blocks that limit wire drops but are high enough that would not limit approaching from below, giving you more placement options.

    While you are under there, may want to take an inventory of other things. For example, I need to replace my 14 y/o RG59 coax cable with the newer RG6. While I am at it, will run a CAT 5 line and the rear speaker lines, prepping for when I upgrade.

    EDIT NOTE: Oh, and while under there, look for subterranian termite trails...just kidding!
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