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    Paranoia manifests itself...

    My mind blew on this. Was at a smallish town at an acquaintance's house. Nearby, a middle school was letting out, with multiple police (school and city) on duty. I saw at least two parents with SUVs picking up their kids, then driving *less than a block* to their house.

    What gives? Are people so paranoid these days that they assume that their children cannot walk 500-1000 feet from a school to their house? Is there a legit reason to fear that their kids will get snatched up in this short distance? This seems like insanity to me.

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    The school busses around here stop at every single child's driveway if they are more than 4 houses apart. Apparently children are no longer capable of walking to/from a bus stop.
    My favourite is to see the line up of vehicles at the larger apartment and condo complexes, waiting to shuttle their precious munchkins from the street back to their unit, assuring that their child isn't exposed to the effort of walking the remaining 200 yards to the front door.
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    In my neck of the woods, children have been taken from their front yards by people who drive up and just grab them from the yard. If I were a parent I would not let my young child walk home alone, even for a block. That's no excuse for driving though. The parents can walk the kid home.
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    I don't think I would let my young child walk to school, but I wouldn't drive thme just a few blocks either. I had a classmate who was kidnapped from her own front yard and murdered. I don't think I would have a problem if they were in groups of 4 or so though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    Do kids even play outside anymore? Christ, there's going to be a generation of children with underdeveloped, atrophied immune systems and lists of allergies the length of my arm. But it won't bother them, since they'll never leave their bunker homes made of kevlar and lexan, having had fear and paranoia drilled into them since childhood.
    But they will have videogames where they can assault hookers and shoot gangsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave View Post
    But they will have videogames where they can assault hookers and shoot gangsters.
    That is sad indeed. I have 4 sons ranging from 8 to 15 years of age. Their computer/video game/screen time is limited to keep them from just sitting in front of them all day long. We're fortunate to have a bunch of kids in our neighborhood that like to play outside. Even so, we still have to manage it or they would just play video games all the time. We manage the game content as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    My mind blew on this. Was at a smallish town at an acquaintance's house. Nearby, a middle school was letting out, with multiple police (school and city) on duty. I saw at least two parents with SUVs picking up their kids, then driving *less than a block* to their house.

    What gives? Are people so paranoid these days that they assume that their children cannot walk 500-1000 feet from a school to their house? Is there a legit reason to fear that their kids will get snatched up in this short distance? This seems like insanity to me.


    I can't believe your mind is blown on this...well 'cept for the driving part. Google "Missing children in the U.S." and see what pops up, then keep in mind that a percentage of missing children are never reported and an even larger percentage are never found. After you do this send your kids to school tomorrow and try not to worry. BTW, the insanity is that we allow children to be snatched up at all. I figure you catch one child snatcher that is beyond a doubt guilty you kill the ****er, that will keep this person from ever doing it again, then move on to the next one. Sooner or later there will be no more child snatchers. =0)
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    This is a middle school remember... we're not talking about 6-year-olds here.
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    I actually just circle the school all day with the boys in the car. We stop each hour to change teachers, but even then, we make sure a police officer is on hand to oversee the exchange.
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    I wouldn't let a middle-schooler walk alone.

    Amber Dubois was a 14-year-old girl here who was kidnapped on her way to school and killed by a predator who went after teenage girls. He targeted her because she happened to be walking by herself that morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    Are people so paranoid these days that they assume that their children cannot walk 500-1000 feet from a school to their house? Is there a legit reason to fear that their kids will get snatched up in this short distance? This seems like insanity to me.
    I don't know... I think 500-1000 feet is do-able, even without a secret service escort.
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    It's not just taking the kids to school. I walk to my local watering hole, a grand total of 1 block. I have had people offer me rides home because they feel that it's to far to walk.
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    What was so abnormal about the paranoia was the fact that every square inch in a half mile radius around the campus was under the eye of some LEO in uniform. There were police cars parked up and down the road to the school and campus police with statewide jurisdiction on duty watching the school campus.

    Yes, there are predators out there and precautions need to be taken, but isn't having multiple police cars ready for pit maneuvers in addition to coverage on the roads in and out for a mile in each way enough?

    Are parents wanting to raise Bubble Boys who have no immune system (both literal, and societal)? Are they expected to not learn any life skills until 18 and in college?

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    Did you take the time to ask anyone if this was normal or was there cause for concern that day? We do have police that help with crossing duty in the AM and they are in city uniform and most drive a police cruiser to school in case they need to take a call, etc, I guess. This is only in the AM at drop off time that coincides with morning commuter rush. In the afternoon, there is not any police presence.
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    I am on the same page with others about not letting kids be alone. Fine.

    But driving back to your unit from the corner of your apartment complex? Walk! It's fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    This is a middle school remember... we're not talking about 6-year-olds here.
    There are plenty of children above the age of 6 abducted on a daily basis. I took my kids to school up till High School, and I also call my daughter (been married for almost three years now) every day to be sure shes being picked up from work, and she calls me back to let me know shes home safe. I figure shes my daughter and as her father I love her so much that I will do what I can till the day I die to try to keep her out of harms way. BTW, its people like you that think its safe for thier kids to walk ten feet to the corner store that end up crying on national television for the the safe return of their child. Not wishing it on you as I would never wish such a thing on my worse enemy, just sayin'.
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    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
    There are plenty of children above the age of 6 abducted on a daily basis. I took my kids to school up till High School, and I also call my daughter (been married for almost three years now) every day to be sure shes being picked up from work, and she calls me back to let me know shes home safe. I figure shes my daughter and as her father I love her so much that I will do what I can till the day I die to try to keep her out of harms way. BTW, its people like you that think its safe for thier kids to walk ten feet to the corner store that end up crying on national television for the the safe return of their child. Not wishing it on you as I would never wish such a thing on my worse enemy, just sayin'.
    And sorry, but it's people like you that keep their kids from being independent and ever fully growing up. And now you're inflicting it on your son-in-law. If that were me, I'd feel insulted that you were doing that... that you thought I couldn't take care of my wife (your daughter) and that you didn't trust me. In the end, I wouldn't be able to sustain that relationship; there's only one man in a marriage (well, so far at least).

    Everyday? That is simply overkill; what's going to happen when you die? Helicopter parenting is going to create a generation of kids paralyzed by fear and unable to stand up for themselves when the time comes. What will happen if they want to take a backcountry vacation, for example?? Will you attempt to veto it? Insist that you tag along?

    I love my daughter and will protect her with my life... but I will also give her the tools to protect herself and as much wisdom as I can so she can do just that.
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    Reading this stuff written by educated people makes me glad that I grew up 30+ yrs ago when it was safe. When I would take the PATH train alone to NYC at age 9 to meet my Dad to go to NY Knicks games. My mom would put me on the train, and dad was there when I got off at the WTC. Or when I was 13 and rode my bike 25miles to my friend's house.

    But you know what? It was not any safer in the NY metro area in the 1970's. In fact, there was MORE crime than there is now. It is the internet, the 24hr news agencies etc. that are scaring the crap out of our society. We are turning into a bunch of Mamby-Pambies, and our kids get no adventure in their lives.
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    I can't believe your mind is blown on this...well 'cept for the driving part. Google "Missing children in the U.S." and see what pops up, then keep in mind that a percentage of missing children are never reported and an even larger percentage are never found. After you do this send your kids to school tomorrow and try not to worry. BTW, the insanity is that we allow children to be snatched up at all. I figure you catch one child snatcher that is beyond a doubt guilty you kill the ****er, that will keep this person from ever doing it again, then move on to the next one. Sooner or later there will be no more child snatchers. =0)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CbadRider View Post
    In my neck of the woods, children have been taken from their front yards by people who drive up and just grab them from the yard. If I were a parent I would not let my young child walk home alone, even for a block. That's no excuse for driving though. The parents can walk the kid home.
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    And sorry, but it's people like you that keep their kids from being independent and ever fully growing up. And now you're inflicting it on your son-in-law. If that were me, I'd feel insulted that you were doing that... that you thought I couldn't take care of my wife (your daughter) and that you didn't trust me. In the end, I wouldn't be able to sustain that relationship; there's only one man in a marriage (well, so far at least).

    Everyday? That is simply overkill; what's going to happen when you die? Helicopter parenting is going to create a generation of kids paralyzed by fear and unable to stand up for themselves when the time comes. What will happen if they want to take a backcountry vacation, for example?? Will you attempt to veto it? Insist that you tag along?

    I love my daughter and will protect her with my life... but I will also give her the tools to protect herself and as much wisdom as I can so she can do just that.

    Actually my kids are very independent and as grown up as they want to be. and yes they both have "the tools" to protect themselves and the wisdom to do so, I'm just back up. If it bothered my son in law I'm sure he would have mentioned it as we have a great relationship. Both my kids have vacationed to Florida, Las Vagas, Puerto Rico, the Bahamas, Japan, and many other places without us (my wife and I) So you see both my kids are vary independant and they both appreciate my concern as does my son in law, how do I know? 'cause he has mentioned it on many occasions and is secure enough in his manhood to tell me that I'm just a father being a father. If you think its overkill thats your opinion and its fine, but please don't try to tell me what my kids are and are not.
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    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
    I can't believe your mind is blown on this...well 'cept for the driving part. Google "Missing children in the U.S." and see what pops up, then keep in mind that a percentage of missing children are never reported and an even larger percentage are never found. After you do this send your kids to school tomorrow and try not to worry. BTW, the insanity is that we allow children to be snatched up at all. I figure you catch one child snatcher that is beyond a doubt guilty you kill the ****er, that will keep this person from ever doing it again, then move on to the next one. Sooner or later there will be no more child snatchers. =0)
    Turns out that over 3/4 of the kidnappings occur with either a family member or an acquaintance of the family. Kidnappings also make up only 2% of the crimes against juveniles that are reported.

    This amounts to about 37,000 children being kidnapped by strangers per year. While this seems like a high number, it means that about .04% of children in the U.S. are kidnapped by strangers. While it's a truly horrible thing, the amount of unnecessary things this country seems to need to do is crazy high for .04% of the child population. The helicoptering that happens is also leading to adults who can't function for themselves and/or expect that society will simply take care of them.

    It's far more likely that a child will die in an auto accident than by a stranger's hand. So you're putting the kids in more danger by driving them to school.

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    Being its such a small percentage you should feel fine sending your newly acquired children out unattended anywhere anytime, but for gods sake keep them out of motorized vehicles!
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