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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll rue the day.
    Incorrect.

    Google will rue the day. ATT will rue the day. You shall all covet my new iPhone 4. Your own personal rue is not my concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Incorrect.

    Google will rue the day. ATT will rue the day. You shall all covet my new iPhone 4. Your own personal rue is not my concern.
    There's enough rue in this post to start a gallon of gravy.

    I'm still trying to figure out why I might want a phone with connectivity to the internet. I care more about the alarm clock than the internet on a portable device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
    Last I heard, there's some new stuff they're doing with either CDMA or 4G LTE (or whatever; I'm losing track of the terminology) that allows voice & data at the same time.

    I don't think Jobs would let Verizon start selling iPhones until they can make it work correctly on their network.
    CDMA can not do both simultaneously. It's a limitation of the protocol. No "new stuff" will fix this.

    With LTE, however, they can and will be able to do both. ATT and Verizon are both going with LTE as their 4G system.

    While it may be an iPhone 4 for CDMA, I'm pretty darn sure it won't be a 4G phone.
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    Doubt it. If Apple slaps a phone on Verizon, it will use LTE or LTE Advanced, and not US CDMA. The CDMA networks in the US are broken implementations because they don't use a R/UIM card (the CDMA networks in China, Japan, Korea, and a lot of Asia do.)

    Unless the iPhone is using LTE, Apple is taking a step backwards to a dead-end technology, and Steve isn't going to have that happen. CDMA is a dead end when it comes to protocols, and everyone knows that.

    Will there be a CDMA iPhone? Perhaps for Asia-based countries where CDMA is in common use. Would there be one just for the US? Nope. Apple would sooner put out an iPhone using AMTS (analog cellphone).

    So, in summary, we are almost certainly not seeing an iPhone for Verizon no matter what the rumors say, even if they are "reliable sources". If by chance we do, it will be a LTE device. If by chance I'm wrong and it is CDMA, it will be a phone for Asia with a R/UIM card.

    Apple isn't going to blow the time in the middle of a product cycle to engineer a second set of iPhone 4s for a dead-end protocol. Instead, if CDMA was a necessity, it would be in the iPhone 5 as another radio band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    So, in summary, we are almost certainly not seeing an iPhone for Verizon no matter what the rumors say, even if they are "reliable sources".
    Then what do you think Verizon is going to announce at their huge media event tomorrow?
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    If it were an iPhone, Apple would be announcing it. Not Verizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    Doubt it. If Apple slaps a phone on Verizon, it will use LTE or LTE Advanced, and not US CDMA. The CDMA networks in the US are broken implementations because they don't use a R/UIM card (the CDMA networks in China, Japan, Korea, and a lot of Asia do.)

    Unless the iPhone is using LTE, Apple is taking a step backwards to a dead-end technology, and Steve isn't going to have that happen. CDMA is a dead end when it comes to protocols, and everyone knows that.

    Will there be a CDMA iPhone? Perhaps for Asia-based countries where CDMA is in common use. Would there be one just for the US? Nope. Apple would sooner put out an iPhone using AMTS (analog cellphone).

    So, in summary, we are almost certainly not seeing an iPhone for Verizon no matter what the rumors say, even if they are "reliable sources". If by chance we do, it will be a LTE device. If by chance I'm wrong and it is CDMA, it will be a phone for Asia with a R/UIM card.

    Apple isn't going to blow the time in the middle of a product cycle to engineer a second set of iPhone 4s for a dead-end protocol. Instead, if CDMA was a necessity, it would be in the iPhone 5 as another radio band.
    Utter Fail on all counts.

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    Hmm, then the market will be flooded with discarded Android units. Time for Mr. August to score the cheap upgrade!
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    We will see tomorrow. Apple is also making an announcement (although this part of the year they usually refresh the Macbooks), so I could be wrong. However, I will be VERY surprised that Apple would be engineering to a backlevel, obsolete technology (CDMA), just as I would if Apple started putting 50 pin Centronics connectors for parallel printers on all their laptops.

    I wouldn't complain though. Competition is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    CDMA can not do both simultaneously. It's a limitation of the protocol. No "new stuff" will fix this.

    With LTE, however, they can and will be able to do both. ATT and Verizon are both going with LTE as their 4G system.

    While it may be an iPhone 4 for CDMA, I'm pretty darn sure it won't be a 4G phone.
    CDMA Development Group said it was coming:
    http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/simul...coming-to-cdma

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    Still no link... thus proves my point

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    Apple's big announcement.

    Well, it's Tuesday on the east coast, and Apple hype is in overdrive yet again. Some people think it's a deal with Verizon, but here's the scoop.

    Read it and weep.
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    Uhhh wut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzbox View Post
    Still no link... thus proves my point
    If you want an official announcement then you have to wait for the official announcement.

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    That isn't an Apple product. Lots of products use "i-" in front of them; not just Apple's.

    The "i-" stands for "image" (although supposedly Apple took ownership and claims it meant "internet" at first but now "individual"). But I remember standing at an iBank at the Mall of America millions of years ago and they had this whole article about the explosion of i-products and what that meant as meaning "image", etc.

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    It's official. The iphone's coming to VZW early next month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyossarian View Post
    It's official. The iphone's coming to VZW early next month.
    Woo hoo!

    CDMA only, no 4G yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzbox View Post
    Still no link... thus proves my point
    Here's your link.
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    The two Verizon iPhone threads have been merged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CbadRider View Post
    The Verizon iPhone thread was merged with the i-Ped post.
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    Well, I'm completely and utterly wrong about Verizon and the iPhone 4. Blergh... why did Apple go with a dead-end technology?

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    I told you.



    Didn't I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlts22 View Post
    Well, I'm completely and utterly wrong about Verizon and the iPhone 4. Blergh... why did Apple go with a dead-end technology?
    Temporary. The LTE network version will probably be out within 18 months.

    Apple really had no choice. The absence of the iPhone @ Verizon was allowing Android to get too much traction. This will really put the brakes on Android for a while.

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