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Old 01-28-11, 01:00 AM   #1
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The Electronic Cigarette Thread

Please don't let this become a smoking flame-fest. This is to talk about the technology and all the available gadgetry out there.

I bought an Njoy NPRO starter kit 3 days ago. Njoy is the brand, NPRO is the model. It's currently being sold at all 7-Elevens around here.

The Njoy NPRO starter kits @ 7-Eleven are pretty cheap @ $19.95 and come with:

- 1 Battery
- 1 Charger (USB)
- 2 x Cartridges

The cartridges it came with where the regular flavor so I also bought a pack of 5 menthol cartridges for another 20 bucks.

From my short experience a cartridge will last like 3/4 of a pack so price is almost the same per cartridge as buying regular cigs.

The regular flavor cartridges actually taste like grape, weird. The menthol ones compare to newport lights.

I did some research and it turns out that the cartridges I bought are 1.2% nicotine content which is suppose to be an equivalent to a "light" cigarette. Cartridges with more nicotine content (1.8%) are available on the internet.

Now, these e-cigs are a 2 part device. The battery and the cartridge. Inside the cartridge you will find both the "atomizer" (what makes the water vapor) and the nicotine liquid. Higher end e-cigs are 3 part devices, with battery-->atomizer->cartridge where the cartridge only has the nicotine liquid. On this higher end models you can refill the cartridges yourself and reuse the atomizer a few times before trowing it away.

So, I made more research...

It turns out that the Njoy NPRO is based on a design called the "RN4081". Many popular e-cigs are also based on the RN4081 and parts are compatible. Atomizers and Refillable cartridges for the RN4081 are supposed to fit like a globe on the NPRO batteries.

I'm gonna hit the local smoke shops tomorrow to see if they carry the RN4081 compatible Atomizers, Empty Cartridges, E-Liquid (the nicotine solution) and Flavors... If I can't find them, I'll be ordering from the internet. Will let you know how it goes.

I haven't own the thing long enough as to make proper review. But I've been using at work when the cravings kick in (every 2 hours) and it kept me from getting out the building for a "real" smoke break. Pretty cool smoking in the office too... lol
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You sound like you're becomin addicted to ecigs?
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Had a co-worker who smoked his electronic cig in the office. It smelled just like a cig to me....maybe he was doing something wrong with it, but I couldn't stand it.
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Please don't let this become a smoking flame-fest. This is to talk about the technology and all the available gadgetry out there.

I bought an Njoy NPRO starter kit 3 days ago. Njoy is the brand, NPRO is the model. It's currently being sold at all 7-Elevens around here.

The Njoy NPRO starter kits @ 7-Eleven are pretty cheap @ $19.95 and come with:

- 1 Battery
- 1 Charger (USB)
- 2 x Cartridges

The cartridges it came with where the regular flavor so I also bought a pack of 5 menthol cartridges for another 20 bucks.

From my short experience a cartridge will last like 3/4 of a pack so price is almost the same per cartridge as buying regular cigs.

The regular flavor cartridges actually taste like grape, weird. The menthol ones compare to newport lights.

I did some research and it turns out that the cartridges I bought are 1.2% nicotine content which is suppose to be an equivalent to a "light" cigarette. Cartridges with more nicotine content (1.8%) are available on the internet.

Now, these e-cigs are a 2 part device. The battery and the cartridge. Inside the cartridge you will find both the "atomizer" (what makes the water vapor) and the nicotine liquid. Higher end e-cigs are 3 part devices, with battery-->atomizer->cartridge where the cartridge only has the nicotine liquid. On this higher end models you can refill the cartridges yourself and reuse the atomizer a few times before trowing it away.

So, I made more research...

It turns out that the Njoy NPRO is based on a design called the "RN4081". Many popular e-cigs are also based on the RN4081 and parts are compatible. Atomizers and Refillable cartridges for the RN4081 are supposed to fit like a globe on the NPRO batteries.

I'm gonna hit the local smoke shops tomorrow to see if they carry the RN4081 compatible Atomizers, Empty Cartridges, E-Liquid (the nicotine solution) and Flavors... If I can't find them, I'll be ordering from the internet. Will let you know how it goes.

I haven't own the thing long enough as to make proper review. But I've been using at work when the cravings kick in (every 2 hours) and it kept me from getting out the building for a "real" smoke break. Pretty cool smoking in the office too... lol
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I saw something on tv last night about failed inventions, and they mentioned the flameless Premier cigarette from 1988. Maybe you could pick up some of them for even less than the current model.
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Hey Rube,
Can you repack those ciggolectrics with Daytona Doobies?
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One of my co-workers got a $60 kit, I don't know what brand, but he is very happy with them and claims he is smoking less (including the e-cigs).

He doesn't stink like tobacco anymore.
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I believe that is a mini vaporizer and is a "tobacco product" in the same way a bong is a "tobacco product."
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The "smell" some people complain about is either one of these 2:

1. The person still smokes regular cigarettes when outside the building, and e-cigs inside. He will smell from the real cigs, it sticks to you.
2. The person actually uses a nicotine solution that has additives to smell like the real thing. Uncommon but possible.

The technology is indeed a "vaporizer". Same thing as toy trains that trow "puffs" into the air.

Back in 1988, a pack of cigs was like $1.25 - $1.50 and you could smoke in a lot of places. Plus lithium ion batteries didn't exist so yeah, it had to fail back then. Now days batteries exist, cigs are way to expensive (taxes mostly) and people don't wanna deal with the smoke anymore.

I visited many local shops, they don't carry the supplies I need (liquid nicotine, empty cartridges, etc). It seems they can't make big profits out of e-cigs because internet shops are SOOOOO cheap that's difficult to compete.

I'm gonna spend some time researching online shops but I already know what I'm gonna get... I'll go with the slightly larger "510". Seems to be far more popular than the 4081, ergo, easier to get parts and supplies for it. Manual battery, separate atomizer, refillable cartridges. Something like this:

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I believe that is a mini vaporizer and is a "tobacco product" in the same way a bong is a "tobacco product."
Oh... missed this one. The answer is NO. The nicotine is synthetic, no tobacco is used in its manufacture. It is not a "Tobacco Product".
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Oh... missed this one. The answer is NO. The nicotine is synthetic, no tobacco is used in its manufacture. It is not a "Tobacco Product".
He's talking about a different vaporizer, Ruben. They sell one for alternative burn materials as well as nicotine cartridges.
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It's like my plasma jet pipe lighter. I could have spent $75 on a Ronson Pipe Torch, or the $5.99 I spent on the cheap plasma lighter they sell in a headshop to heat up and vaporize the contents of that little glass pipe. I bought the cheapie from the headshop because it works as well as the Ronson Pipe torch to light my Cavendish tobacco, and so far, I've gotten 2 years use out of the cheapie. It's also windproof.
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He's talking about a different vaporizer, Ruben. They sell one for alternative burn materials as well as nicotine cartridges.
Oh well... in that case, a personal vaporizer is just a delivery system. Like a pipe, it could be filled with many different things. I even heard of people filling up the cartridges with Albuterol/saline solutions and using them as asthma inhalers.
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Oh well... in that case, a personal vaporizer is just a delivery system. Like a pipe, it could be filled with many different things. I even heard of people filling up the cartridges with Albuterol/saline solutions and using them as asthma inhalers.
With the right cartridge it give a whole new meaning to (electric)"buzz".This product "will" be abused.

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Hey Ruben. I like the thing in the cig, but are you taking the cost of this gizmo into account?
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can't you just add a little bit of this liquid nicotine to your coffee?
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Is there going to be any wacka waka puffa puffa with this later? I'd think so.
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@ jccaclimber

The the initial cost of the gizmo starting @ 19.95 I didn't really take it into account. Even a great super gizmo would be around $30 - $35 bucks. With the savings over traditional cigarettes it's like it's free.

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Dunno. Will research

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No wacka wacka but definitely lots of puff puff.
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@ jccaclimber

The the initial cost of the gizmo starting @ 19.95 I didn't really take it into account. Even a great super gizmo would be around $30 - $35 bucks. With the savings over traditional cigarettes it's like it's free.

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Dunno. Will research

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No wacka wacka but definitely lots of puff puff.
Easy on that "puff puff" hombre.I saw a guy turn into a lizard from that.
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Hi guys,

I received my new E-Cig yesterday, a Joye Ego which is basically a 510 with a bigger battery. The amount of vapor coming out of this thing is just amazing. It's like 10 times the vapor of the cheap Npro I started with. THIS really feels like a real cigarette. I can honestly say I know prefer to suck on the Ego E-cig MORE THAN a regular newport... it is THAT GOOD.

The Ego standard batteries are 650mah (blows the 180mah Npro out the water) and lasts the whole day. The one I got has a USB port in the other end so it can be used as a pass-trough as well, enabling you to vape and charge at the same time.

The only thing is that after a few uses, the cartridge starts to gets dry (duh) and vapor amount decreases. Opening the cartridge and topping it off with 3 or 4 drops of e-juice gets the vapor back to amazing levels. But I will like to try the Ego Tank cartridge. Those hold a lot more e-juice. But for now, the current setup works like a charm.

As for the e-juice, I'm vaping something called "SAM-Mint", VG base @ 26mg strength. I only ordered a small 10ml bottle to try it, but I love it and will order a whole lot more before I go sampling anything else.

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I have a friend who works for Freedom Smoke USA (hilarious name, great company).

Rube, if you wanna quit nicotine, quit it. If you're using this as a helping tool, use it as a tool and wean yourself off the stuff.
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Actually, that's an interesting question. Rube, are you using this to kick the addiction, or because you can do it indoors and because you can't afford cigarettes?
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"Smoking" is the act of sucking on a burning stick filled with Tobacco, tar and 300 other nasty things.

"Vaping" is the act of sucking a vaporizer device that gives you Propylene Glycol, nicotine and water.

By switching to vapor you can say you quit smoking, because you are not burning anything. You are still using nicotine, yes. But you are not smoking and that is a great thing.

Think of it this way. Let's say you use to drive a big 4x4, Hummer sized, blasting CO2 everywhere you go. Then one day you switch to a small, greener, fully electric car. Yes, you are still called a "cager" among the car free community as you are still driving a car. But it would be silly to say that since you are not yet "car free", all the benefits of the electric car should be ignored.
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Actually, that's an interesting question. Rube, are you using this to kick the addiction, or because you can do it indoors and because you can't afford cigarettes?
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Initially, I figured the thread and the signature were just an odd coincidence, like: You bought the faux cigarette, realized how silly it was to let your addiction control you and make you jump through hoops, and decided to just quit instead.

It wasn't until you updated this thread with another faux cigarette purchase that I noticed the signature isn't about stopping smoking, but instead about "not using cigarettes," which is more than a little disingenuous.
Do I smell a Foo intervention coming on here?
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Do I smell a Foo intervention coming on here?
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