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    Domestic Domestique UnsafeAlpine's Avatar
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    Foo! I need your help! (Off Topic)

    This is a bike question. <3 would like me to buy a bike. I know, it's an awful situation. Here's the problem, though. It's gotta do everything.

    It needs to be my commuter in good and bad weather. I carry a backpack so racks aren't necessary but disc brakes are. The ability for knobbies is important as well and the wider the tire, the better.

    It probably shouldn't be a mountain bike. <3 and I do long road rides and so road geometry is important.

    While we did recently come into some money, it's not enough to be careless with so the cost is important.

    Basically, I'm thinking along the lines of monster cross. The Vassago Fisticuff seems to fit the bill but it looks like they've halted production indefinitely.

    Any ideas?

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    Salsa Vaya is what I'm checking out this weekend for similar reasons....drool

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    Quote Originally Posted by skijor View Post
    Salsa Vaya is what I'm checking out this weekend for similar reasons....drool
    I've been looking at that, too. Nice bike. <3 has a Salsa Campeon and it's beautiful. The Vaya doesn't look like it has a lot of tire clearance, though, and that's a worry for me.

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    It comes with 42's. I don't know if that allows fenders but it has fender mounts front and back.

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    Salsa Fargo? Rawland Drakkar? Voodoo Nakisi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    Salsa Fargo? Rawland Drakkar? Voodoo Nakisi?
    I looked at those last night. I couldn't find much on the Drakkar. I might need to look at the Voodoo a little more. The Fargo is awesome but too mountain bikey, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skijor View Post
    It comes with 42's. I don't know if that allows fenders but it has fender mounts front and back.
    Oh jeez, didn't even notice that. I'll have to head to the bike shop this weekend and see if they have a Vaya in stock. That may be a great option.

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    Surley Cross Check comes to mind.

    http://surlybikes.com/bikes/cross_check_complete/

    Can handle big tires, fenders, has rack mount points, but lacks disc brakes.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Surley Cross Check comes to mind.

    http://surlybikes.com/bikes/cross_check_complete/

    Can handle big tires, fenders, has rack mount points, but lacks disc brakes.....
    Everyone I know who has a Cross Check loves them but the lack of discs means it's off the list. Unfortunate, too, because it'd be a great option otherwise. It's just that when there's snow on the ground, the lack of braking ability is a big worry. I've been nearly caught a couple of times by people doing stupid things and the lack of brakes made the situation worse.

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    That Vaya is sweet (although personally I would want the tires to stay in the 30's).

    I was going to suggest the Surly Cross Check (one of my favorites) except for your need for disc brakes. If you want to try to save a few bucks, BikesDirect has a cross bike with discs that looks promising too (Motobecane Outlaw).

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
    It's a little on the cheap side for me but it does put me in the mind that I need to be looking at the bigger manufacturers, too. And no shocks. Blech.

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    I love my Salsa.
    I would say Salsa or Surly.

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    Does anyone know if the Redline Conquest Classic has rack eyelets or room for fenders? Redline Metro disc might also fit your needs.

    http://www.redlinebicycles.com/bikes...011-metro-disc
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Does anyone know if the Redline Conquest Classic has rack eyelets or room for fenders? Redline Metro disc might also fit your needs.

    http://www.redlinebicycles.com/bikes...011-metro-disc
    I've looked into the Conquest and it seems like it would fit the bill but... it has 130mm spacing and it's tougher than a badger in heat to try and find a disc wheel with that spacing. Ah. nevermind. Looks like they had trouble finding wheels to fit that spacing, too.

    I'll put Redline on the list.

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    Its a little rich for my blood as a cross bike, but Lynskey has a CX in their Cooper line that takes discs......


    http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/a/.../cooper-cx.php
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    Soma Double Cross DC frame would allow you to build what you want also.

    http://www.somafab.com/dcdc.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baftap View Post
    Its a little rich for my blood as a cross bike, but Lynskey has a CX in their Cooper line that takes discs......


    http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/a/.../cooper-cx.php
    That'll burst the budget pretty quickly but damn... Those are some pretty frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    Oh jeez, didn't even notice that. I'll have to head to the bike shop this weekend and see if they have a Vaya in stock. That may be a great option.
    I spoke with the [Milwaukee] shop about the brakes. Salsa downgraded from Avid BB7's to BB5's. If I get it they'll be swapping back to the BB7's for me.

    The Vaya also has SRAM's double-tap shifters w/compact crank. I have no experience with that style shifter but have heard good things.

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    The Trek Portland is very popular. http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes...land/portland/
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    The ultimate all arounder for me would be the Salsa Casseroll.
    No disk brakes but I'm a weirdo like Alex and would rather have drums or roller brakes anyhow.
    Built in front rack, lots of eyelets, room for a second front rack, steel, 130mm rear spacing, and clearance for 38mm tires with fenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    Cross-Check with cantilever brakes, and drum brakes for backup!

    Or the Double Cross Disc.
    Quote Originally Posted by AllenG View Post
    The ultimate all arounder for me would be the Salsa Casseroll.
    No disk brakes but I'm a weirdo like Alex and would rather have drums or roller brakes anyhow.
    Built in front rack, lots of eyelets, room for a second front rack, steel, 130mm rear spacing, and clearance for 38mm tires with fenders.
    I'm actually not a huge fan of discs. I've been pretty content with the stopping power of linear pulls on my mountain bikes for some time. I just don't like them in the snow. Drums are cool but choosing discs gives me quite a bit of part options although it certainly does limit frame choices.

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    Maybe you can add flamethrowering rim warmers to the bike to melt the snow off as you ride, powered by a bottle of propane and some Coleman campstove burners. This will allow you to use linear pulls and have the cleansing power of fire as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Maybe you can add flamethrowering rim warmers to the bike to melt the snow off as you ride, powered by a bottle of propane and some Coleman campstove burners. This will allow you to use linear pulls and have the cleansing power of fire as well.
    Everything needs the cleansing power of fire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnsafeAlpine View Post
    Everyone I know who has a Cross Check loves them but the lack of discs means it's off the list. Unfortunate, too, because it'd be a great option otherwise. It's just that when there's snow on the ground, the lack of braking ability is a big worry. I've been nearly caught a couple of times by people doing stupid things and the lack of brakes made the situation worse.
    I'd say build a Vaya or Soma Doublecross DC (the disc version). For a complete bike, the Jamis Aurora Elite comes standard with disc brakes.

    That said, you can also do what I did with my Fuji World (which is my primary commuter)...fit the front only with a disc brake. The front is where the bulk of your stopping power is, you really don't need disc on the rear.



    So basically, you could buy a cross-check (or any other frame that turns you on) frame, buy a disc fork for it, then build it up using disc hubs with a BB7 on the front.

    I highly recommend building (even if someone else builds it) from a frame you fall in love with, to your specs, even if it's only a disc on the front, rather than buying some pre-built complete bike.
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