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Old 03-23-11, 07:35 AM   #51
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Has he figured out yet that my posts ARE COMING FROM INSIDE YOUR HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dude, I just emptied a clip into the basement. You OK?

Taking a break from this for tonight anyway. Prom isn't til the end of next month. I'll be sure to document any progress though and post up when there's something to see.
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Today I finished up the lap joint on the leather and was planning to sew it, but since there's a rivet going through it anyway, decided to just glue it.

I also flattened and tuned up the brass bezels, hit them with a flap wheel, then a buffing wheel + compound. That took out a lot of imperfections and made them impressively shiny.







I doubt I'll take them any further than this. Next task is making the brass rod brackets and the nose bridge.
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Today was a learning experience.

The first nose bridge was too wide.
The attempt at smashing the brass rod end down ended in broken brass.
Brass must be annealed several times in the forging process.
Leather is very tough to force a needle through.

I got the second nose bridge done though, and I'm happy with it.



The thumbnuts are just temporary for sizing purposes. I'll still need to tear these down yet again before they're ready for permanent riveting. The holes are punched through the leather now and tomorrow I'll most likely get the lenses made and a few of the rivets in place to hold them.

I sure hope my daughter appreciates these since I had to buy a purse at the thrift store, much to my chagrin, for the black leather eyecup pads. How humiliating. I ripped all the seams out to make leather strips and that made me feel a little better. For now they're glued in place, folded over in a 'U' shape with some slack for padding (and quite comfy), but still remain to be stitched. I bought a leather stitching awl though I'll likely have to pre-punch the leather to even get it through, requiring some sort of soft anvil. The ends were stitched just to keep them together in the long term. They'll be covered by a tab that rivets on to add some stiffness.

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Wow. This is really some project.

Your child will appreciate it - about 20 years or so from now when they're probably doing a similar project for their own child.
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This is the coolest thing I've seen in Foo in forever.
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I sure hope my daughter appreciates these since I had to buy a purse at the thrift store, much to my chagrin, for the black leather eyecup pads. How humiliating.
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will you wear those next time I come to CO to stalk you?
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At this point, you could paint hippie flowers on it and the resulting item would still be quite excellent.

I do kind of like the thumbscrews as is. They're a nice machine-y touch.

A thought that might be too late to implement would be to put a small (~.5") hole in the eye cups, facing to the side, and fill them with gems of some sort with brass bezels. The Victorian era was all about gems and crystals as power sources.
I had thought about keeping them and perhaps making yet another nose bridge, this time with a slotted hole for adjusting the bridge width. Thing is, there's some stress on that joint and it could lead to them loosening in use. Rivets might allow a bit of pivot when they loosen, but they wouldn't spread.

I had thought of adding a tiny spin-open vent on the side of the eyecup in the shape of a cog for practical purposes. Sealed goggles like this can have a tendency to fog up. I may compromise by punching some hole patterns in them if I can't figure out how to do something like that on such a macro scale.

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Your child will appreciate it - about 20 years or so from now when they're probably doing a similar project for their own child.
Hopefully she'll call me then to help.
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Ah yes, I can see that being a problem. That'd be more annoying than the thumbscrews are cool. Ah well.

If nothing else, you could hide a vent hole by putting it through the leather in line with one of the circular holes in one of the fleur de lys. Functional but nearly invisible.

Of course, really freaking awesome would be to incorporate an iris aperture somewhere. Unfortunately, they're really bloody expensive. A quick search brought up one with a 50mm maximum opening... for over a hundred dollars each. Ouch.

Oh, great...throw that at me. Now my brain is spinning trying to figure out how to make an iris out of brass sheet. Thanks pal.
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If you can manage that, you might as well make the things actually steam powered.
Don't tempt me.

Usually with these new projects, I go through a process of coming up with all sorts of wild ideas, then, remembering how many times I've overcomplicated things to the point they never get finished, I scale back to the basics. Still, there's always untreaded ground and although I may not have the wherewithal to accomplish it all, every step also brings me closer and gives me the tools to attain those goals. Learning be fun.
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Also, I was watching "How it's Made" and they were showing a craftsman hand making a leather attache case. He had to use a special tool, that looked likey a stabby version of a mason's chisel to pre punch the holes for the stitching to insure that were in line and at the right angle. Then he sewed the leather using two awls and two pieces of waxed cord inserted through the holes from opposite sides. It was very cool and it reminded me of your goggles with all the cutting and riveting on of brass locks and other bits.
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Also, I was watching "How it's Made" and they were showing a craftsman hand making a leather attache case. He had to use a special tool, that looked likey a stabby version of a mason's chisel to pre punch the holes for the stitching to insure that were in line and at the right angle. Then he sewed the leather using two awls and two pieces of waxed cord inserted through the holes from opposite sides. It was very cool and it reminded me of your goggles with all the cutting and riveting on of brass locks and other bits.
I'll be going a bit lower tech, using an awl to pre-punch the holes. I used a curved suture needle to do the ends, but it took a lot of effort to force it through, even though the purse leather is much softer. Wish my revolving punch had a smaller die. That'd make it really easy.

I'm going to try and forge my brass rods today, this time annealing it several times. I looked around for a steel cylinder to smash the ends down with and didn't find anything suitable. If it doesn't go well today I may wait til I can stop by my welder buddy's shop and make yet another tool.

Another thing learned on this project was while searching for an anvil...they're not all created equal. There's plenty of them available online, but one must be careful: all the cheap ones are cast steel and not appropriate for any blacksmithing. Smack them hard enough to form metal and you chance snapping the horn off or denting the surface. The real deal is forged steel and the cheapest 55 pounder I saw was in the $500 range. Yikes! I'll have to keep my eyes peeled at garage sales for a forged one.
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Wordbiker, a dab of clear fingernail polish or such on the threads of the nuts would serve as a thread locker in the final assembly and prevent loosening during use.
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Wordbiker, a dab of clear fingernail polish or such on the threads of the nuts would serve as a thread locker in the final assembly and prevent loosening during use.
As a professional bicycle mechanic I'm well familiar with the threadlocking compounds available, but the issue is torque more than slippage. A hand thumbscrew just can't be tightened enough to hold the eyecups in alignment. A rivet will also loosen in time too, though it won't come unfastened unless it's a catastrophic event which would destroy the goggles anyway. I'm still of the opinion that it's the right fastener for the application.

There's also a part of me that despite X136's suggestion that the thumbscrews look "machine-y" and should be left on...I have a hard time with leaving obvious hardware store hardware visible, even less so doing it intentionally. The thumbscrews are lamp parts, ubiquitously available at any big chain store, and that bugs me. The hardware I am allowing to show is from a tack store, a great source of anachronistic bits and bobs, and is made intentionally to complement old fashioned riveted construction. Anything else I'm including has to follow an internal rule of not being used for the intended purpose or being altered to appear so.

I know I'm being a bit anal about this. I should've never bought that road bike.
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Wordbiker, one of my favourite things to do is to find other uses for things other than what they were orginality purposed for, I call it ingueginineery, so have fun.
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Hmm, I see their lamp-based origins now that you've pointed them out, but keep in mind that people without a map of the local hardware store permanently etched into their mind probably won't make the out-of-context connection.
Man, does this guy have me dead to rights or what?

I'll often be in a hardware store taking a mental inventory so that when I do need something, I know where to get it. When the staff comes up and asks, "Can I help you?", the answer is I'm well beyond help. I usually know more about what they have than they do, certainly more about how it can be used...or ab-used. The guy at the tack store was fascinated...and probably thought I was nuts.

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Of course, since it's a functional issue in this case it doesn't matter, but in general, things may not be as obvious to others, especially when creatively used.

I mean, it's not like you used a wingnut painted a brassy color.
Yes, or just slapped on non-functional (like it could be functional anyway, but you know what I mean) and redundant hardware to make it "hardware-y". There's a very clever balance there I'm trying to achieve.

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That said, being anal about this is what's going to really bring the final result home.
Again, you nailed it. I'm a detail-oriented person by nature. I've found that in finish work it's the details you don't see that matter. Even someone unschooled will see something "right" about it. When it's done wrong, incongruous details stick out like a sore thumb...even if you can't really point them out. I'm no Buddhist, but there is a certain Zen about it. Everything must flow.

To put it into a bicycle analogy, it's somewhere between this:



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Word, that stabby velvet saddle is just wrong on so many levels, not least of which is the idea of sitting on a crucifix.
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Word, that stabby velvet saddle is just wrong on so many levels, not least of which is the idea of sitting on a crucifix.
I'd be willing to sit on that bike right about now.

I started out on one of the braces...and forging is a highly skilled art. Every hammer blow shows, and although I've been a carpenter my entire adult life, this is just different. The annealing seemed to be working and I got the ends flattened, just not very evenly. A little grinder work got them even again, but shortened the rod a bit. Still 'forging' ahead, I got the bend just about where I wanted it for where the strap attaches, though just a little off center. When I went to rebend it, the brass had work-hardened and snapped in two. I hadn't though to anneal the bend. *sigh*

Pulling away from that to clear my head, I cut out the lenses and they came out nice, fitting snugly inside the leather. I also cut the brass strips for the inside and rolled them. They also came out nice. The next step would be to prep them for rivets, but then it'd be tough to sew the leather, so I went inside to try my hand at it for the first time.

I have a great admiration for people that can work with leather and have it come out not looking like ass. I am unfortunately not one of them.

Punching the holes was more difficult than expected and they came out a bit crooked. The tip of my awl slipped off the inner edge of the eyecup several times. Lesson learned: plan for more overlap. I also found out that when I'd glued the inside edges that were hard to see, they were off in several places. Figuring that as long as the outside stitched up OK, the inside didn't matter as much. It didn't stitch up OK.

I'm a bit frustrated and humbled right about now. Had to rip the leather edging off and I don't plan to try sewing again. It looked fine just glued, so I'll redo those and just have to live with it not being perfectly authentic...some other day. Right now I'd like to express my feelings in song.

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With some inspiration from Bob, I decided to suck it up and keep on moving.


The first attempt at sewing was truly horrible. The second was only slightly better than that, but it's needed for that authentic look, and as X136 said, it's all about the details.



Fortunately the worst of it is covered by the stiffening tabs. They also didn't come out perfectly, but they're there to stay anyway.



Other notes:

I did intend to finish off the lenses by adding window tinting film to them. They still have the protective plastic film on them, but it's probably best to get everything else ready, then add the film, then install the rivets permanently when I won't have to pull it apart again.
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