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Old 06-29-11, 09:51 AM   #1
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Transplanted Drivers

Are driving laws really that different from state to state, or do people just care less and less?

First example: Yield signs. In MN, yield means yield, not merge. Yet, on my way to work there are seven yield signs, and people treat them more like merge points than yielding. It messes up a bunch of stuff, people always have to slam on their brakes to compensate for the non-yielding driver, and I can't stand it anymore. This never used to be a problem. Does yield mean merge in other states? When I lived in Ohio, for example, yield and merge signs were always next to each other on freeways. Never in MN, except to alert cars already on the highway that there is traffic from the right, but they still have a yield sign, separately, which is different than a merge sign.

Second example: Red arrows. In MN, you cannot turn on a red arrow, period, left or right. But TWICE in the past week, I have seen drivers honking at the car in front of them to go and turn left on a red arrow. What the heck? One car had British Columbia plates, so maybe the Canadians have it different, but the other car had MN plates and was still getting annoyed.

Anyway, I assume that these are either transplanted drivers, or they just don't care, especially the yield thing. I have never seen people blow yield signs and treat them like merge points until just the past year or so. In fact, one intersection is so bad that my city actually put up additional signs that say "this is a yield sign, not a merge point." I don't get what is going on.

And don't get me started on navigating a cloverleaf, which I recently learned is almost completely a MN thing, and transplants just drive down the shoulder because they have no idea where to go...
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Where I live we pick up quite a bit of out of state traffic. Interstates 77 and 81 pass through here and we see people from all over the east coast. The worst drivers, by far, are from Ohio. I'm not certain what one has to do to get a license there, but I'm certain it's not much more than to breath and be of age.

That said...

Here, there's no such thing as a turn signal. If someone is using one. Don't trust it. (North Carolina is actually worse. That state is close enough that I get to experience their turn signals or lack there of fairly often)
Old people around here like to ride on the wrong side of the road before making a left turn. I think they believe they're letting others behind them pass. They scare the hell out of me. I won't even begin to pass them.
Four-way stop signs. Yeah... don't even bother trying to go through one of those in a proper order.
Traffic circles. People here can't even use a 4-way stop. A traffic circle is a terrible idea. They seem to be showing up more and more though.

We're getting a lot of transplants who have no clue how to drive in the snow. Then they're teaching their kids to drive. These kids don't know how to drive in snow. This past winter some jerk in a GMC Yukon hit the brakes going up hill in front of me.... They would've left me sitting in the ditch had I spun out because of it. Luckily I had enough momentum to keep going.
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The lack-of-yielding thing occurs here too especially since there have been several round-a-bouts (traffic circles...never heard them called that) installed recently. The yielding that occurs there is typically one extreme or the other.
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Lots of Texaicans are rude as all get out behind the wheel. I am slowly learning to relax and let people do what they want to do. It is so much easier just to back off and let someone in front of you. I try to follow all the rules of the road and treat others as I would want to be treated. I will speed on big streets, highways, etc, but never in residential areas.
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Lots of Texaicans are rude as all get out behind the wheel. I am slowly learning to relax and let people do what they want to do. It is so much easier just to back off and let someone in front of you. I try to follow all the rules of the road and treat others as I would want to be treated. I will speed on big streets, highways, etc, but never in residential areas.
I thought Texas (rural anyway) had some of the nicest drivers. They'd pull over and let you pass if you came up behind them. Granted my experience was 25 yrs ago.

As far as the yield thing goes - same problem here in Colorado. People just pull out onto the highway and assume you can get over or slow down for them.
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In B.C. drivers can not turn left on a red arrow which is dedicated to a particular lane, however if the arrow is an advance arrow for the intersection one can turn left if the way is clear if the intersection light is green.
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I thought Texas (rural anyway) had some of the nicest drivers. They'd pull over and let you pass if you came up behind them. Granted my experience was 25 yrs ago.

As far as the yield thing goes - same problem here in Colorado. People just pull out onto the highway and assume you can get over or slow down for them.
That still happens in rural Texas, but DFW, Houston, Austin, San Antonio are now full of really rude, self absorbed drivers, sadly.
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Where I live we pick up quite a bit of out of state traffic. Interstates 77 and 81 pass through here and we see people from all over the east coast. The worst drivers, by far, are from Ohio. I'm not certain what one has to do to get a license there, but I'm certain it's not much more than to breath and be of age.
You haven't encountered a lot of drivers from CA, specifically Bay Area, have you? Was coming home from a day in Santa Cruz mountains, rounded a blind corner and was catching up to cars in front. Over sudden last one brakes hard, and just makes a U turn. No signals, no pulling over to a side, and right between two blind turns. Freaken idiots.
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Colorado is a cluster f of drivers from other states who have relocated. The combined mess is irritating. The worst out of state drivers tend to be Californians and Texans. Though Coloradans aren't so hot either.
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Foo on all of you.

I commute in Brooklyn, NY, home to someone from every country on the planet, according to census records. Thus the driving "rules" are somewhat flexible and not followed or understood completely.

NY State law says red lights mean stop and wait till green. Yellow means stop for the soon to change to red. Stop signs mean stop. Yield means yield to cars in another lane of traffic. One way is pretty self descriptive.

Today I witnessed a driver go thru a green light at an intersection, then come to a complete stop in his lane of traffic in the middle of the intersection, then attempt to back up thru the intersection so as to park at a curbside parking spot. The cars behind him had to stop, then move around him so he could back up, which he did.

In Brooklyn, the city does not paint striped parking spots. Even though everybody knows it's a parking lane - there are parking meters, it's also apparently a passing lane. Thus you can be stopped at a light behind a bunch of cars and have a 2nd bunch of cars pull up on your right. Which I now do as well as it's a 50/50 chance the first car stopped at the light is making a turn without the courtesy of using their turn signal, and everybody in town knows this is going to happen, so use the parking lane. And the thing is, they're all from the Caribbean, so everybody's cool with it, except us tight assed white dudes from the suburbs. And forget turn signals, peace in the middle east will happen long before these folks learn to use turn signals. The thing with this passing in the parking lane is that you drive 20 miles east to Long Island and pull that stunt, if you don't get a ticket (it is illegal) you WILL have a serious case of road rage on your ass.

Then there's the double parking. There can be a perfectly legal parking space 20ft up the road, but WHY PARK WHEN YOU CAN DOUBLE PARK ?, is the essential rule of the road. This is actually a new trend among newer members to our country, stop the car in the lane and talk to a friend on the curb, or unload grandma, or whatever, but God forbid they actually move the car to the shoulder. Nope, lets inconvenience everybody driving by, by STOPPING HERE !. And the thing is, you blow your horn and they don't get it. They have no clue why you are upset. It's how they learned it in the city, before they moved to the burb's.

Then there's the "I'm in the left lane on the interstate, doing 70 and - Oh Right, that's my exit, so I'll slam on my brakes and stroll across 3 lanes of trafic to get to the exit", all while slowing to 40 or so. F _ _ K everybody else. No thought among the lines of "OK, I missed the exit 'cause I was stupid and should have been in the right lane in the first place, so I'll keep going, get off the next exit and come back". Nope, that thought would never occur in a million friggin years.

NY State law says your lights go on when it's raining. A few years back I almost rear end a VW with NO BRAKE LIGHTS. Forget that her lights are not on in a rainstorm, but all 3 brake lights on her car are out, so I almost hit her as she makes a left. Then the siren goes on and a NYPD Hwy cop pulls me over and writes me 2 tickets. One for a bad running light. The 2nd for a left brake light not working. Mind you that I am the only driver for 5 miles who has his lights on in the rain and that the only damned reason he knows I have a brake light out is I almost hit the car in front of me. The F _ _ KING cop doesn't even have his lights on ! and I almost say something. I buy 2 bulbs, show the receipt to my local cops and they take care of the tickets.

Done for now.

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I have a yield sign on my daily commute for one lane 50 mph joining two lanes at 50 mph. You'd better be ready for me to merge because stopping here is very dangerous. If you are stopped at this yield sign, I will be passing you on either side at full speed. There are some places yield signs don't belong.

My peeve is people turning out in front of you simply because they know they can get their nose in front, people I can pass simply by maintaining speed.
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I see a lot of transplanted drivers learning to drive up here, they're easy to spot in the drivers ed cars with signs for the Warsaw driving school etc.. on the top. Pretty scary most of the time too, I like to give them plenty of room.
This area is kind of like Miami, but with winter. Lots of overmedicated oldsters trying to navigate narrow streets with traffic signals timed to prevent a safe flow of traffic. I just waiting to see one of them coming at me on the bike path.
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I have a yield sign on my daily commute for one lane 50 mph joining two lanes at 50 mph. You'd better be ready for me to merge because stopping here is very dangerous. If you are stopped at this yield sign, I will be passing you on either side at full speed. There are some places yield signs don't belong.

My peeve is people turning out in front of you simply because they know they can get their nose in front, people I can pass simply by maintaining speed.
And someday, you'll be the cause of a crash and injuries or worse.

Yield signs mean just that... YIELD!! And if that includes stopping while you wait for a spot to merge in, so be it.

Somehow, this has been transposed to those on the highway slowing almost to a stop to let folks on. Probably because of those who don't get what yield means as much as being over courteous. I've seen idiots coming up the onramp stomp on the gas to squeeze in between two cars, forcing one to slam on its brakes... when there was a huge space behind the second car.

Yield is directed to the car on the onramp... if they can't merge SAFELY and without causing those on the highway to have to slam on brakes or swerve!! If they can't, they stop until they can! And those on the highway DO NOT yield. That's universal... but it seems that the highway drivers yielding is as well.

Of course, as bad is those clueless drivers who don't move over a lane when it's clear to let cars onto the highway.
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The worst are the cotton tops from Arizona, driving along the beach at 10 mph. You can see them pointing at the water and almost hear them saying, "look at the water!!!" No ****ing **** you old fart, it's the ****ing ocean. Do you ever think of looking at the cars behind you and think it might be considerate to pull over and let them pass by? Maybe some of us just want to go home or to lunch.
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It all depends on what you are used to. I once moved from Columbus to Marion Ohio, and I thought everyone up there drove slow and stupid. When I moved back to Columbus, I then thought everyone in Columbus drove fast and crazy.

In Chicago, I once pulled up to a light with about 2 or 3 car lengths still ahead between me and the car in front as I was easing up. Some guy behind me passed me on the right and slid right in between us. I about crapped. That's aggressive.

Lately I've noticed a trend of drivers not using turn signals as if it was a sign of weakness. The only time they seem to use them is when making a left hand turn into traffic and I think that is only to hope some sucker gives them a break.
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I thought Texas (rural anyway) had some of the nicest drivers. They'd pull over and let you pass if you came up behind them. Granted my experience was 25 yrs ago.

As far as the yield thing goes - same problem here in Colorado. People just pull out onto the highway and assume you can get over or slow down for them.
Out here in rural Texas, it's still that way. Hitting a four way stop is an exercise in politeness and patience because everybody waves for the others to go. It's kind of funny after a while. Then there is the "letting folks into a line of traffic" process. First, there is the vehicle waiting to enter the line of traffic from a side street or parking lot. Then, someone slows or stops to create a space for the waiting vehicle and then waves at that vehicle to proceed. The waiting driver waves back acknowledging the offer. Then, after pulling into the line of the traffic, the driver allowed into traffic waves again. Not much road rage going on around here.
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Saw a bumper sticker once in Santa Fe, NM, which is hippie heaven.

"Forget World Peace, visualize using your turn signal"..

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The only conclusion I've come to in this thread is, drivers suck everywhere.
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The only conclusion I've come to in this thread is, drivers suck everywhere.
This. Bad drivers are everywhere. Our rules for getting a driver's license are too lax. We do not have continued testing to make sure people are aware of new laws and maintain their ability to drive safely. And if someone actually starting enforcing yield signs by pulling people over and writing tickets for failure to yield, people might actually start paying attention to them.
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Colorado is a cluster f of drivers from other states who have relocated. The combined mess is irritating. The worst out of state drivers tend to be Californians and Texans. Though Coloradans aren't so hot either.
Everyone in Colorado says this. However, I've known plenty of native Coloradans who suck at driving. Shoot, I'm native and I'm not all that great of a driver.
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Yes, hence my last line.

I am from Washington state btw.
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Yes, hence my last line.

I am from Washington state btw.
Careful who you're throwing spears at... I was stationed in WA and the drivers there aren't all that much better there than they are here. Specifically, to go SLOW, you get in the left lane and refuse to move over to allow faster traffic to pass. I guess that's not so bad... it's predictable, at least.

Lack of turn signals is always fun. And when those slow drivers do decide to move over, they don't bother to look at who may be in the space they intend to occupy... that almost cost me my life in I-5 when a small camper decided to take the space I was in on my motorcycle and my only out if my brakes didn't work was a bridge abutment.

WA drivers are only better in that they're a bit more predictable, I guess.
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Out here in rural Texas, it's still that way. Hitting a four way stop is an exercise in politeness and patience because everybody waves for the others to go. It's kind of funny after a while. Then there is the "letting folks into a line of traffic" process. First, there is the vehicle waiting to enter the line of traffic from a side street or parking lot. Then, someone slows or stops to create a space for the waiting vehicle and then waves at that vehicle to proceed. The waiting driver waves back acknowledging the offer. Then, after pulling into the line of the traffic, the driver allowed into traffic waves again. Not much road rage going on around here.
In my experience, the patience is on the part of the driver taking traffic directions from someone utterly unqualified to do so, especially from within their car.

Just follow the traffic laws, forget being "nice" and we'll all get to where we're going much sooner.
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Careful who you're throwing spears at... I was stationed in WA and the drivers there aren't all that much better there than they are here. Specifically, to go SLOW, you get in the left lane and refuse to move over to allow faster traffic to pass. I guess that's not so bad... it's predictable, at least.

Lack of turn signals is always fun. And when those slow drivers do decide to move over, they don't bother to look at who may be in the space they intend to occupy... that almost cost me my life in I-5 when a small camper decided to take the space I was in on my motorcycle and my only out if my brakes didn't work was a bridge abutment.

WA drivers are only better in that they're a bit more predictable, I guess.

I'm not from the Western part of the state. Generalization fail
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