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Old 07-02-11, 04:48 PM   #1
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Just joined the Jeep owners club

Head gasket blew on the Suburban, so we traded it for an '03 Jeep Liberty Sport 4x4. Haven't had the chance to go play in the dirt yet, but it handles more like a go kart than the SUV it is replacing.

Mechanically, it's got new rack and pinion steering and front brakes, the rear brakes are at 50%, but the struts are the factory originals, has a very minor front differential leak, and all of the tires need replaced.

It was either this Jeep, another Suburban, or a '99 Mercury Villager van that we could tell had some issues before even pulling of the lot for the test drive.

So who all else has/had a Jeep?
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Yep, 06 Liberty. Good luck!
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I has a 1971 Gladiator (J2000) years ago. It was a fun truck.
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'06 Wrangler unlimited.
Bought 2 yrs ago...only issue I've had has been a belt tensioner needed replacing. I love it.
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I had a 1969 Jeepster Commando with a removable hard top. They came with a Buick V-6 at that time, that was a nice engine. It performed really well in the mountains, not so much for daily driving.
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2000 XJ Sport, and it's been a pretty darned reliable vehicle. I have an overheat issue with it, but that's largely due to my own lack of maintenance. Needs a heater core and radiator, and I'm just too broke and lazy to get it dealt with.
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Grand Cherokee for the last ten year. That minor leak on the transfer case is NOT a minor issue. Get it dealt with now for $1000 or pay $5000 later.
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I would love to get a Wrangler but I can't get by their horrid reliability record.
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I would love to get a Wrangler but I can't get by their horrid reliability record.
My father bought one new in 02 and sold as soon as he could break even (actually, he was down about $3000 in repairs). It also handled poorly, bounced all over the road, and went through brakes like diapers. That said, I'd probably buy one before I bought a Suburban.
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If I got one would that mean I'd have to drink shlitty beer and act like a doosh too?
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Only if you are the type that spends an obscene amount of money on tires/wheels and start pouting if a speck of dirt gets on them. Or raise the body, but not the chassis.

My most pressing issue right now is finding some tires for it. It's a bit confusing, as the placard on the door states P215/75/16, but it's currently has 235/70/16's. Research shows both sizes are acceptable- dependng on model/trim/package. Unsure if both sizes will fit the rims...
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You are ok with either size.. on a Jeep the biggest consideration is diameter. Jeep brakes are exactly enough, and if you put taller tires on them they will be less than enough.

The 235/70 is an inch wider and .3 inches taller so it's pretty close. Both require a 5.5 to 7 inch wide rim.

You would actually get better snow/mud performance from the smaller tire. On pavement there would be zero difference in traction. The wider tire may perform marginally better in deep sand.

Do fix the front end leak. These are known for the vent tube coming out of the transaxle . That may be where your leak is and all you need to do is epoxy it back in. If it is a seal leak that is a bit expensive, but not as expensive as replacing the unit.
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If I got one would that mean I'd have to drink shlitty beer and act like a doosh too?
how would that be different then now?
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I don't drink schlitty beer. And I don't use the word 'then' instead of 'than'.
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I had a 99 Wrangler in 99'. I loved it, but lived in Chicago at the time and got tired of it getting broken into. I also had an issue with the top getting slashed alot. Now that I am in the suburbs and have a garage, I am planning on getting an unlimited. If my 4 runner ever breaks.

A good friend of mine just sold his 1993 Wrangler Sahara. That 17 year old Jeep had 160K miles and was still on it's original clutch. The only work that was ever done, beyond regular maintenance, was u-joints. It has always been my experience that the 4.0 engine is bulletproof.

The only issue I have with Jeep is the rusting that starts the day you drive it off the lot.
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Old 07-03-11, 02:48 PM   #17
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I had a 99 Wrangler in 99'. I loved it, but lived in Chicago at the time and got tired of it getting broken into. I also had an issue with the top getting slashed alot. Now that I am in the suburbs and have a garage, I am planning on getting an unlimited. If my 4 runner ever breaks.

A good friend of mine just sold his 1993 Wrangler Sahara. That 17 year old Jeep had 160K miles and was still on it's original clutch. The only work that was ever done, beyond regular maintenance, was u-joints. It has always been my experience that the 4.0 engine is bulletproof.

The only issue I have with Jeep is the rusting that starts the day you drive it off the lot.
My 4.0 has been great. The gas mileage is pretty lousy, but the engine appears to be bullet prood (knock on wood).
Its my understanding that in '07 ChryCo went to the 3.8 V6 from their van line, and the wrangler's never been the same....nothing but problems is what I've heard. In other words, if it is a 3.8, you may want to look at a used one.
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Had a 1988 Wrangler. BFG 38 x 10.50's on Cragar modular wheels, tubular bumpers, KC Daylighters, some stereo work and a bikini top. Loved that Jeep. Drove it hard and trashed the tranny and ended up trading it in on a VW Fox of all things. Have the Jeep bug again right now and the wife and I have been talking about a Wrangler XL 4 door. Time will tell.
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Had a 1988 Wrangler. BFG 38 x 10.50's on Cragar modular wheels, tubular bumpers, KC Daylighters, some stereo work and a bikini top. Loved that Jeep. Drove it hard and trashed the tranny and ended up trading it in on a VW Fox of all things. Have the Jeep bug again right now and the wife and I have been talking about a Wrangler XL 4 door. Time will tell.
As a friend, I must urge you away from that car, try the Toyota FJ instead, or a 4Runner.
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FJ would be cool, but the allure of the removable top and doors is strong. I really want to be cruising in the open air again.
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Everyone knows that you haven't hit the big time until you have owned a Ford Windstar.
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You are ok with either size.. on a Jeep the biggest consideration is diameter. Jeep brakes are exactly enough, and if you put taller tires on them they will be less than enough.

The 235/70 is an inch wider and .3 inches taller so it's pretty close. Both require a 5.5 to 7 inch wide rim.

You would actually get better snow/mud performance from the smaller tire. On pavement there would be zero difference in traction. The wider tire may perform marginally better in deep sand.

Do fix the front end leak. These are known for the vent tube coming out of the transaxle . That may be where your leak is and all you need to do is epoxy it back in. If it is a seal leak that is a bit expensive, but not as expensive as replacing the unit.
Uh, that vent tube? Is that something a chain tire/auto service could handle, or is it best left to a tranny specialist, or *gulp* the Jeep dealer?
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In that case, I have no dreams of ever hitting it big. 2 GM minivans and 3 Mopar minivans and was always less than impressed with Ford's product every time I was in the market...
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He was poking and me and my Ford Freestyle crossover SUV (read this as stationwagon)
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