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Old 11-02-11, 08:20 PM   #1
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I don't understand why they did this. Very sad.

This video is graphic and may be upsetting. Not safe for work or kids due to language and content. Do not view with kids in the room. If you are an animal lover, please don't watch this because it does contain what I consider cruelty.

The reason I posted is because I just wanted a discussion on what you all may think is the reason for this, and if you think there should be some kind of repercussion.

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Idiots. They shot the calf because they are not allowed to shoot people without doing a lot more paperwork.
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Ugh. That was so unbelievably unnecessary.
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Just an observation: Those calfs have a hell of an armor! Did you see how many shoots she took and yet kept on running? Or is it that Canadian police use bb guns?
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I don't get why they didn't just round the calf up and bring it back to where ever it came from.
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Just an observation: Those calfs have a hell of an armor! Did you see how many shoots she took and yet kept on running? Or is it that Canadian police use bb guns?
Perhaps. But can you see it actually running rampage and hurting people unless panicked and provoked? If they hadn't fired the first shot, it probably would have stopped moving in 5 to 10 feet and been completely docile. We're talking about a confused baby here.
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Just an observation: Those calfs have a hell of an armor! Did you see how many shoots she took and yet kept on running? Or is it that Canadian police use bb guns?
Yes. To enforce strict Quebec language laws, they also shoot Puerto Ricans on sight. Stay away!

Actually, it is very common and the safest way to deal with bulls that have escaped, especially in the vicinity of a cow in season. It is normally done by the farmer with one shot from a large caliber rifle to the head. This did indeed look inhumane but then, you-tube clips don't tell the whole story. It also didn't look like a bull.
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There are a lot of things at work here the general public will never understand. Alas, this video will probably spread like crazy and cause all sorts of anger. What you're seeing is a young (probably approaching 10-12 months) bull (or steer, never got a close look) on the loose on a road. This is a risk to drivers. The drivers could hit the bull causing all sorts of damage and potential loss of life. Or... they could miss it and still wreck because of a split second decision to swerve. Next, we're not told how long it had been loose by the information in the video. Generally, people try to herd the calf back in, but after a while the animals become less and less cooperative.

Now, we come to disease transmission. If this was an animal from one farm, that had escaped to the area of another farm, there is the potential for disease transmission. It's unlikely, but a chance that most farms are not so willing to take. The bull really shouldn't be allowed near animals on the other farm.

There's also the potential that it, being a young bull, could break in with the other farm's cattle and cause a fight with that farm's bull. In the unlikely event the young bull wins... the other farm is out a bull. Then you have the potential for some undesirable breeding with the other farm's stock while the young bull is around.

I could go on and on with reasons to shoot it.

The failure here is not using a firearm/round capable of doing the job.
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There are a lot of things at work here the general public will never understand. Alas, this video will probably spread like crazy and cause all sorts of anger. What you're seeing is a young (probably approaching 10-12 months) bull (or steer, never got a close look) on the loose on a road. This is a risk to drivers. The drivers could hit the bull causing all sorts of damage and potential loss of life. Or... they could miss it and still wreck because of a split second decision to swerve. Next, we're not told how long it had been loose by the information in the video. Generally, people try to herd the calf back in, but after a while the animals become less and less cooperative.

Now, we come to disease transmission. If this was an animal from one farm, that had escaped to the area of another farm, there is the potential for disease transmission. It's unlikely, but a chance that most farms are not so willing to take. The bull really shouldn't be allowed near animals on the other farm.

There's also the potential that it, being a young bull, could break in with the other farm's cattle and cause a fight with that farm's bull. In the unlikely event the young bull wins... the other farm is out a bull. Then you have the potential for some undesirable breeding with the other farm's stock while the young bull is around.

I could go on and on with reasons to shoot it.

The failure here is not using a firearm/round capable of doing the job.
Having a spent a good part of my childhood on a farm I have disagree. It was a regular occurrence for a cow or two to escape and we would get two or three kids in a pickup and go round them up. Was it fun? No. But if you live in a farming area you learn to deal with livestock. The first cop overreacted when he thought the calf was charging him, sadly once he had shot it they had little choice but to put it down.

In fact what I learned as a kid came in handy when my wife and I lived in Cartersville and a neighbor's big herefords escaped. I helped him round them up in less than an hour.
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Having a spent a good part of my childhood on a farm I have disagree. It was a regular occurrence for a cow or two to escape and we would get two or three kids in a pickup and go round them up. Was it fun? No. But if you live in a farming area you learn to deal with livestock. The first cop overreacted when he thought the calf was charging him, sadly once he had shot it they had little choice but to put it down.

In fact what I learned as a kid came in handy when my wife and I lived in Cartersville and a neighbor's big herefords escaped. I helped him round them up in less than an hour.
Depending on the area, you'll see farmers just go get their livestock. That's what we do when things get out. But, we've had a few.... ummm.... wanna be farmers/tax write off types who listen to every word their vet tells them (the vet is just getting money from them) who would freak out about another animal on their farm. Sometimes, shooting the animal is all that can be done. I'll say that after we had a 500 lb heifer get out and go totally ballistic on us... I had no problem with her being shot. This was after she nearly ran me over while we were trying to put her in. We're talking near miss by inches. We're not given the whole story here.... what happened in the video wasn't a near miss, but there may have been others.
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There are certainly "reasons" why shooting an animal makes sense but that video gives every indication that incompetence and not necessity ruled the occasion. It looks to be a large steer not a bull. Definitely could cause some damage but it was for the most part docile at the start. The cops were complete dolts by racing around, sounding their sirens, flashing lights and otherwise CREATING the agitation you see in the steer (what it isn't calm when you shoot it??? DUH!). Even worse, they are in a clearly rural area with tons of space to safely wrangle the steer if they calmed the heck down and knew what they were doing. Where the overwhelming incompetence shows is that they thought their sidearms were sufficient or appropriate to end the "rampage." Anyone with a modicum of firearm experience and large animals knows that your standard 9mm does little against an animal that size unless you repeatedly fire into it (which for dealing w/ a non-life-threatening steer is just asinine). These cops appear to be yahoos with no animal experience who just "winged it" in trying to control a scared steer that THEY riled up. I've got nothing against shooting an animal when necessary but there was absolutely no necessity there. That situation could easily have been solved by a calm rancher w/ a feed bucket and a rope telling the cops to pull back half a mile w/ lights/sirens off. The way they acted you'd have thought it was 600lb armed and rampaging steer on angel dust.

overreact much??
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I have spent a lot of times on farms and ranches working cattle over the years and they aren't that hard to move. That said, there are certainly times when in the interest of safety, they need to be put down. This doesn't look well handled at all, but I wasn't there. Cops have no training with this so I don't expect much from them.

My daughter and I were driving home from a movie at about midnight a few years ago and came across a heard (20 or so) in the middle of a normally busy road. I got out and called the cops, took a flashlight and moved the heard toward the side of the road. When the cop showed up he looks at me and says "OK, What do we do?" I told him to control traffic and see if they can find the farmer. I continued to move the heard to a nearby farm (not the right one) but they were at least contained. Only one calf was hit by a car and was fine, the car, not so much.
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I don't get why the cops used their sirens for a cow.
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There are certainly "reasons" why shooting an animal makes sense but that video gives every indication that incompetence and not necessity ruled the occasion.
What do you want to bet that the officer who fired the first shot was a city boy, never been closer to a cow than seeing one on TV or ordering a burger.
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Is cow shooting politics or religion?
That's cow-tipping.
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If this discussion is to be serious, as our administrator intended it to be, then it will surely devolve into a political discussion on how animals should be treated. The OP framed the initial posting that the video was disturbing. If we do not take the post seriosly, it belongs here.

I live in a rural area, where animals are routinely killed. I did not find the video to be disturbing in the least. Only that the officers chose the wrong weapon.
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Don't know if the animal needed to be killed or not, but the cops sure messed up when they did it. Around here a lot of the squad cars carry 12 gauge shotguns which would have done a much better job.
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If this discussion is to be serious, as our administrator intended it to be, then it will surely devolve into a political discussion on how animals should be treated. The OP framed the initial posting that the video was disturbing. If we do not take the post seriosly, it belongs here.

I live in a rural area, where animals are routinely killed. I did not find the video to be disturbing in the least. Only that the officers chose the wrong weapon.
Foo is off topic discussion and doesn't have to be all silliness and giggles. I said that the video is disturbing for children and for those who are animal lovers. I am serious when I asked what the reason for this was and if others think that there should be repercussion. No need for political discussion. I didn't intend it to be that way at all.

I don't live in a rural area. The only animals that are routinely killed are those that are put down because of over population and lack of spay/neuter. I do as much as I can to help save animals when this kind of killing or any kind of abuse can be prevented. So to me, the shooting in that vid.......I just don't understand why, that's all.
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maybe they got tired of waiting for animal control?

none of them had the gear to capture it, from what you can see in the video.
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I don't know. With all the squad cars there, they could have made a temporary corral in about a minute.
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I don't know. With all the squad cars there, they could have made a temporary corral in about a minute.
Squad car hood is at most 3.5' tall. That's nothing for cattle. It'd be on that hood and over in no time.
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Squad car hood is at most 3.5' tall. That's nothing for cattle. It'd be on that hood and over in no time.
Lets not also forget the fiscal cost of damage to the cars to save a stray cow that destined for the food chain in some capacity. It is a reality.
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