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Old 11-21-11, 07:17 PM   #1
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Video Editing Software?

Hello All,

I just picked up an 808 camera. I would like to edit out parts of the raw video a bit to make it not so boring. For now, I downloaded a 30-day free trial of Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5. The software is much more sophisticated than what my long-term needs dictate. I was looking at other applications. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with any of these:
  1. Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 11 Production Suite: $65.
  2. Adobe Premiere Elements 9: $80.
  3. PowerDirector 9 Ultra - 64: $85.
  4. VideoStudio Pro X4: $60.

I also run Ubuntu and checked out Cinelerra. It was OK, but I wasn't convinced by it. On a related note, my wife and I are expecting our first child in March. I'm going to pick up the Sony HDR-XR160 Camcorder on black Friday. So whichever software I buy will be used for baby videos in addition to cycling videos. Again, any insight you might be able to provide regarding video editing software is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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I was looking for a program for a system I'm building for a co-worker, which will have a Sandy Bridge with the on-chip video, which means it's capable of Quick Sync. It'll also have 16GB of RAM and I'd like to see it actually get used for something.

To make a long story short, I currently have Sony Movie Studio HD Platinum 10 and Adobe Premiere Elements 9 and after doing some research and trying a trial version, I picked PowerDirector 10 Ultra.

Reasons:

1. takes advantage of Quick Sync, which is very powerful: benchmark graph from AnandTech. More than double the performance? I can live with that

2. with Virtu installed, it could also take advantage of Avivo or CUDA acceleration on AMD or nVidia add-in cards, in tandem with Quick Sync.

3. 64-bit so it can use all the RAM, not just 2-3GB per process. Sony's still 32-bit and Adobe PE10 only has a 64-bit editor.

4. the UI is pretty friendly. This guy's coming from Apple iMovie, we don't want to make his brain essplode.

5. even on my non-QS Sandy Bridge system, the trialware mowed down a test 720p DVD encoding project so fast the DVD drive appeared to be the bottleneck (it was encoding and burning simultaneously). Shuttling through video in the previewer was also much smoother than Adobe.


So now I know what I should've bought: an H67- or Z68-based motherboard, a Sandy Bridge CPU with the on-chip video, and PowerDirector 10 Ultra. Hope that helps...

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Old 11-21-11, 11:41 PM   #3
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I was using Windows Movie Maker from my old laptop
when I started editing my videos. Now my current laptop
has Windows Live Movie Maker. For my silly videos it's
just fine and the price is right(FREE). What computer
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Thank you both for your suggestions.

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Are you ready for a good laugh? About 2 or 3 years ago, I bought a Sony Vaio VGN-FW510F laptop running Windows 7, 64-bit with an Intel Core2 Duo T6600 CPU @ 2.2 GHz and 4MB. I was considering upgrading the RAM to 8GB, but after reading this article about the UEFI secure boot in Windows 8, I was thinking about saving my money and waiting to get a laptop with Windows 7 just before they start shipping with Windows 8. I like having Ubuntu as a secondary OS. (I know that technically Linux is a kernel.)

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which will have a Sandy Bridge with the on-chip video, which means it's capable of Quick Sync. It'll also have 16GB of RAM and I'd like to see it actually get used for something
I really have no need (nor space [too many bikes]) for a desktop. If I were so inclined, I would do like you and build my own with Windows 7 and Ubuntu. The system you're putting together sounds pretty sweet. I hope your co-worker appreciates your efforts.

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For an extra $40 over VideoStudio Pro X4 and only $15 over PowerDirector 9 Ultra, that sounds like it fits the bill. I would rather buy something once than have to buy multiple cheaper applications if I find I need more features in the future. Thanks.
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@ 1nterceptor: Nice audio selection. I love Depeche Mode. What camera do you use? I like the quality.
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I can understand why Adobe Premiere Pro may be overkill, as that is what I use.

Even though you have the 30 day trial on Premiere Pro, you are still eligible for the 30 day trial on Premiere Elements. Likewise, Sony Vegas, Corel's VideoStudio, and Cyberlink's PowerDirector also offer 30 day trials. May want to try each of them.

Also, what software do you use for photo post processing? If it is Corel's Paintshop Pro, or Adobe's Photoshop Elements (or the full CS5 Photoshop) may want to limot the video to either Corel or Adobe for seamless integration. Absent that, the Sony Vegas has a verp positive reputation.
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From what I've read, you will probably have your options open to run Linux or any other compatible OS on your new UEFI Secure Boot motherboard when the time comes. Some further info: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sourc...-and-free/9827 The move to the Secure Boot approach is partly a response to people infecting their computers with bootkits like the TDSS / TDL-4 malware, which alters the boot records and actually starts before any OS loads. It's not a big plot to lock out open-source, more like a big plot to lock out the worst of the criminal botnet controllers

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Also, what software do you use for photo post processing?
Interesting that you should ask. I use Photoshop CS5. That is why I chose the trial version of Premiere first. I have Design Premium CS5. I love Adobe's workflow. It is very user friendly. With absolutely zero experience with video editing, I felt comfortable with the software. (In fact, when my neighbor saw my edited videos, he asked that I help him with a video of a speech he gave at Yale.) I didn't know that Corel would work seamlessly with Adobe. Now I'm not sure if I should go with PowerDirector or VideoStudio. I'll have to try the trial versions of each. Thanks for the tip!
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@ mechBgone: Thank you for the link. I understand UEFI secure boot much better now. It would be nice if Microsoft implements the recommendations. The idea of generating a private key on a USB drive upon first use of an open-source OS sounds like a great idea. Thanks.
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I use this and LOVE it. It can be as simple or as complex as you would like it. I used to use it for all kinds of advanced stuff, but now I use just the basics and it does very well.

Not only is there a free trial, but the built-in tutorials are actually pretty amazing. I never have to go to another source to learn how to do something (but I do anyway; I just don't have to).
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@ 1nterceptor: Nice audio selection. I love Depeche Mode. What camera do you use? I like the quality.
GoPro Hero HD 960, recorded and uploaded in 720p.
You really like Depeche Mode?

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You really like Depeche Mode?
I really do. When this girl I was dating told me that Depeche Mode was one of her favorite bands, that clinched it for me. We've been married for 11 years.
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Interesting that you should ask. I use Photoshop CS5. That is why I chose the trial version of Premiere first. I have Design Premium CS5. I love Adobe's workflow.
In Design Premium, that should be Photoshop CS5 Extended. Not certain if this works with the non-extended version. You know, you can bring a video clip up in Photoshop, apply adjustment layers just as you would in a photo, and from that frame on (typically the beginning frame of the clip to the end) the adjustment is applied. The adjustments can be universal - like white balance, or a mask focused on a specific area. When exported out, it is non-destructive creating a second video clip. You should be able to bring that clip up in any of the dedicated video editing programs and insert on the timeline.

With any of the video programs, a 1 month subscription to lynda.com may help jumpstart. Given your computer, it may be severly tasked with Premiere. You may notice some jagginess when viewiving on the monitor as you review clips. Just wait til you start rendering...and come back a couple hours later. May want to try Premiere Elements as it would not have the resource requirements. Also, it comes with some SoundSmart music tracks (Corel comes with the same tracks) and you can purchase more, hoever, they are designed to self-adjust to the track length which is nice. Amazingly, they are not available as a plugin for Elements Pro while available for other programs.
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It is PS Extended. Thank you for the tip. I'll be sure to check it out along with the tutorials on lynda.com

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The rendering takes about twice as long as the length of the clip. I am seriously thinking of picking up a new laptop.

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That was one of the reasons for my original post. As I mentioned, I like Adobe products, but Premiere Pro was too much. I didn't get a good feeling about Elements from the reviews I read. I was wondering if the other 4 applications were worse than, equal to, or better than Elements. Thanks.
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The rendering takes about twice as long as the length of the clip. I am seriously thinking of picking up a new laptop.
Heh, yep. Hardware, hardware, hardware. It used to take me 4 hours to render a 70-minute video with minimal edits into MPEG-2 format. With my newer laptop, it takes me 45 minutes to do the same thing. But....I actually finished an 80-minute video last night with tons of edits, and it took 3 hours to render.

Keep in mind that some software (well, maybe all by now, but it was only some a few years ago) can take advantage of the GPU, so keep that in mind if you plan on getting a new laptop with a video card/software that will be supported in that way...
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I was looking at this Sony Vaio. It has an NVIDIA GeForce GT 520M GPU. I have to save a few more pennies before I could get it. And, I would need to butter up my CFO. Maybe I'll start playing some Depeche Mode .
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I was looking at this Sony Vaio. It has an NVIDIA GeForce GT 520M GPU. I have to save a few more pennies before I could get it. And, I would need to butter up my CFO. Maybe I'll start playing some Depeche Mode .
Ahh, and it's a model with Quick Sync capabilities too. Looks hawt (for a laptop, anyway).
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That is a very nice Sony and you won't have to buy editing software which may help lower the price a little.
Includes:
Sony Creative Software: Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 10.0, ACID Music Studio 8.0, Sound Forge Audio Studio 10.0

Actually, about the only thing you would want to do is up the memory to the max 8GB. Don't know if that entails simple adding a 4GB card to an empty slot, or if they occupied both with two 2GB modules you would need to trash and put in two 4GB modules (or if the motherboard was designed for one module only.)

Standout features are the Core i7 processor and a video card with it's own dedicated memory.
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For video-editors on Linux, I like the following:

AVIdemux
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Standout features are the Core i7 processor with the Quick Sync feature and a video card with it's own dedicated memory.
Emphasized: not all i7s, even Sandy Bridge i7s, can do this. Has to be the variants with the on-chip Intel HD video. Make sure to install the free Virtu software so the system can use both QS and the GT520M at the same time, for all the hardware acceleration you can get. And some software is QS-aware, some isn't, so check into that when choosing.
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Thank you for the caveat. I did some research just to be sure. It has an i7-2670QM processor which has the Quick Sync feature.

I restored my laptop to factory settings and it is for sale. As soon as it sells, I'll have enough for this one. Thank you to everyone for your help.
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Thank you for the caveat. I did some research just to be sure. It has an i7-2670QM processor which has the Quick Sync feature.

I restored my laptop to factory settings and it is for sale. As soon as it sells, I'll have enough for this one. Thank you to everyone for your help.
As a follow-up, I finished building my co-worker his i5-2400 system and did a comparison with my i5-2500 backed up by a GTX460 (pretty potent nVidia gaming card). I used the PowerDirector trialware on mine, and the retail PD 10 Ultra on his.

Both CPUs are quad-core Sandy Bridge, but his has Quick Sync and has a slower base clock speed (3.1GHz versus 3.3GHz). I did a rendering test of some high-definition video I'd recorded from a webcam. The bitrate wasn't super-high, 2400kb/sec, but it's what I had.

Results: my system was rendering the movie a little faster, about 40 minutes, but at ~95% overall CPU usage. His was coming in around 50 minutes, but at only about 45%-50% CPU usage thanks to the Quick Sync hardware acceleration, so that was kind of cool. I suspect Quick Sync would tip the scales heavily in his favor if the video were high-bitrate stuff from an HD camcorder, which I understand can get into the 15Mbps+ bitrates.
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