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    Calling all camera nerds

    I am thinking about buying one of these.

    http://www.vistek.ca/store/DigitalCa...spx/Specs.aspx

    Not at that price though.. Anybody have experience with them?

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    It looks nice with high MP but I guess it depends on why you want it and how you are going to use it. For the money it would appear the obviouse question is why not a digital DSLR. My iPhone is 8 MP & my Sony is 9 MP I also use a gopro with a LCD backpack for wide angle and video. The Sony is my best camera but it is cumbersome and requires planed shooting. My iPhone is always handy and does incredible pictures. I have done some impressive keynote presentations on a 72 inch wide screen shot with my iPhone and manipulated on my iPad. Nothing is better than the gopro for wide angle shots but u need the LCD backpack and it isn't the easiest camera to use. It is a very tini camera though and takes some wild shots. I looks good to me by spec but pricy. I guess it depends on you needs. I certainly have a small fortune in video and still camera equipment.
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    For $840, I'd want something with a faster lens.
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    The iphone has a decent camera, but it's still a phone/computer and not a camera.

    I don't have any experience with the Leica, though I know their reputation for outstanding glass.

    Timber is right, though, it depends on what you want to use it for. If you're looking for something to haul with you on mtb rides, I'd say go for the tough cameras. Pic quality isn't as good as this one would be, but if you fall on it in a stream, it'll survive! If you're after a packable camera that takes good pictures, this one looks good, albeit a bit expensive. The new Nikon cameras that take their DX (I think) lenses look promising, too, since Nikon lenses are also very good.
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    There are some pretty good cameras for 1/4-1/3 of that price, and there are some real good cameras, maybe better than that Leica, for less than 1/2 of that price. The Canon S95 is a good camera for less than 1/2 of that price, maybe as good or better than the Leica. You can spend even less on a Panasonic Lumix and get a very good camera with a good lens. I bought a Lumix for my wife and it hasa Leica lens. I've actually read that some Leica digitals are Panasonic cameras with a Leica name on them. As mentioned if I was going to spend that much money I would get a good DSLR and then not have to compromise. Actually I did do that, I bought a Nikon D300 a few years ago. I have a small digital to carry in my pocket when I don't want to carry the big camera, and I would like to have a better one like the Canon S95 but I don't want to spend even that much. But then I've used SLR's and now DSLR's for over 40 years and I feel handicapped with anything less.

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    Sorry, I forgot to add this. Do your research before you spend a lot of money. Read as many reviews and comparison tests as you can. Also I recommend reading in the user forums on dpreview.com. If you are interested in a certain camera model, you can read what the owners of that camera have to say about it.

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    Thanks for the information folks. I guess it was kind of a "I want a bike, what should I buy" kind of question. The camera would primarily be a point and shoot travel camera as I have a Pentax SLR and Nikon DSLR and both are too big for travel. I do want high quality/ resolution shots and was pretty impressed with this one in the store. Not a great environment to test drive a camera though.

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    Panasonic Lumix DMCZS8K is a better choice
    same leica lens hmmmm

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    With Leica, you're paying for the name. I would NEVER pay over 800 dollars for a point and shoot. Especially when the difference in quality isn't huge. (Mind you, I have a Canon 7D and would never buy a point and shoot..I don't mind traveling with a large camera.)

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    Most, if not all, Leica P&S cameras are rebadged Panasonics. If you buy the Panasonic, you still get the Leica lens, but you'll pay much less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    The iphone has a decent camera, but it's still a phone/computer and not a camera.
    I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. The iPhone 4S is much more than a camera phone and these days is the camera I go for 1st.
    The most important thing about photography is havering a camera at hand when the picture happens. It is one thing to load up all your gear and head out on an adventure looking for your pictures or attending some planned event.
    The best pictures happen when your camera is in its camera bag at home in your studio. I have been in the habit of carrying a camera everywhere I go for years. The last iPhone had a decent camera but it was nothing that any point and shoot didn't offer. The latest iPhone the camera to a giant step forward & I would consider it a camera that has the ability to export and image of multiple media from any location.
    Like anything though it comes down to what your needs are
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    Agree with the others. A Leica point and shoot is JUST a name. Your saying that you have enough money to spend more than you need and you just don't care. Someone has to supply this market and Leica has the name to do it. Other than that buy a Panasonic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc0yef View Post
    Panasonic Lumix DMCZS8K is a better choice
    same leica lens hmmmm
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc0yef View Post
    Panasonic Lumix DMCZS8K is a better choice
    same leica lens hmmmm
    Yeah, it's pretty much the same body. I can't vouch for all the workings. I have a ZS8, and it serves its purpose well. You won't get a point and shoot type camera with a better wide angle without dumping a bunch of change.

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    In case you think I'm being too mean which maybe I am a REAL Leica compact camera would have a fixed focal length lens and manual controls. An ultra zoom with auto everything isn't a Leica anyway so but the Panasonic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
    In case you think I'm being too mean which maybe I am a REAL Leica compact camera would have a fixed focal length lens and manual controls. An ultra zoom with auto everything isn't a Leica anyway so but the Panasonic.

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    I don't think you are mean at all, just Australian. Two ways to read forums, what is written and how it is written. I go with what, and appreciate your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x136 View Post
    Most, if not all, Leica P&S cameras are rebadged Panasonics. If you buy the Panasonic, you still get the Leica lens, but you'll pay much less.
    Leica and Panasonic teamed up and brought together the strength of each: Panasonic = electronics, Leica = optics. As a result, they have cosmetic differences while providing the same basic features.

    V Lux-30 = DMCZS 10k (or the last letter representing other colors)
    V Lux-5 = DMCLX 5

    While essentially identical, the Panasonic models are roughly half price. They are excellent cameras.

    You stated you wanted a small camera for travel. Do you NEED the ultra-long 24-384 f3.3-5.9 zoom? That V Lux5/LX5 provides a significantly larger sensor, RAW capability, external flash capability, but a wider but shorter and brighter 24-90 f2.0-3.3 lens. Also in that same pricerange but marginally larger are the Panasonic and Olympus entry level 4/3 cameras that add the capability of interchangable lens. Olympus makes great cameras, but do have concerns of them as a corporation though with the recent scandals.

    Here is a comparison report on the larger sensor class P&S, including the LX5. Also, on the site, may be able to research the smaller sensor P&S.
    http://www.dpreview.com/articles/433...ompact-cameras

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    The DMC ZS10 is just an over done version of the ZS8. I bought the ZS8 for prolonged battery life due to the lack of the gps positioning thing. I didn't need the features the zs10 presented.

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    If you want a good travel camera that's smaller than a DSLR but still provides excellent performance you may look at the Olympus Pen system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebuddha View Post
    If you want a good travel camera that's smaller than a DSLR but still provides excellent performance you may look at the Olympus Pen system.
    Especially with deals like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by tizeye View Post
    Leica and Panasonic teamed up and brought together the strength of each: Panasonic = electronics, Leica = optics. As a result, they have cosmetic differences while providing the same basic features.

    V Lux-30 = DMCZS 10k (or the last letter representing other colors)
    V Lux-5 = DMCLX 5

    While essentially identical, the Panasonic models are roughly half price. They are excellent cameras.

    You stated you wanted a small camera for travel. Do you NEED the ultra-long 24-384 f3.3-5.9 zoom? That V Lux5/LX5 provides a significantly larger sensor, RAW capability, external flash capability, but a wider but shorter and brighter 24-90 f2.0-3.3 lens. Also in that same pricerange but marginally larger are the Panasonic and Olympus entry level 4/3 cameras that add the capability of interchangable lens. Olympus makes great cameras, but do have concerns of them as a corporation though with the recent scandals.

    Here is a comparison report on the larger sensor class P&S, including the LX5. Also, on the site, may be able to research the smaller sensor P&S.
    http://www.dpreview.com/articles/433...ompact-cameras
    Great post and link. Thanks.

    I am not at all a knowledgable photographer so manual modes and RAW imaging are really something that are lost on me. The long zoom is more a nicety than neccesity but I would find it very useful. I am not one to really compose photos, just shoot things or scenery I find appealing . Most often with dissappointment in the outcome. I guess I want the best quality shots with the least knowledge in a compact size. Maybe I just need better luck!

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    I'll also chime in for a Panasonic. I got the DMC TS3 (with Leica glass) earlier this year and it's a great P&S tough camera. I've made some great images with the camera, when I really think about it, but I put it in a pouch strapped to my Camelbak chest strap so it's always ready and I don't have to worry about falling on it or dropping it in the water.

    Before this, I had the Olympus 770sw tough camera which took OK pictures. It was slow, however, where the Panasonic is pretty quick and I rarely miss a shot with it. But having the flexibility to take my camera into the lake, pool, dirt, snow and not worry about dropping it or falling on it is a big benefit for me.

    Another side benefit, if you have little kids, is you can show them how to work it and leave it out for them to use. It's pretty amazing to see the world through the eyes of a 2, 3, 4.... year old! My daughter has been taking pictures with the old 770 now for almost 4 years and has learned how - when she thinks about it - to frame a really nice picture. But more than that, I have tons of really cool pictures of the world through her eyes... all without having to worry that the camera would be dropped, thrown or dropped in the bathtub (all of which have happened!!). A very nice side benefit to a tough camera.

    dpreview.com results: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/Q311...test/page4.asp

    If I was looking today, the top contenders for me would be the Panasonic TS3 and Nikon CoolPix AW100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdon View Post
    The long zoom is more a nicety than neccesity but I would find it very useful.
    Make sure the zoom you buy is in the lens and NOT a digital zoom

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20grit View Post
    The DMC ZS10 is just an over done version of the ZS8. I bought the ZS8 for prolonged battery life due to the lack of the gps positioning thing. I didn't need the features the zs10 presented.
    Many thanks for all the input guys. I went with the Panasonic ZS8 as it seems best for my application. A lot of my travel takes me to non WGS84 compliant countries so GPS isn't needed nor was the 3D photo available on the ZS10.

    Sometimes this forum produces great results. Y'all saved me over $500.

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