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Old 12-21-04, 03:48 PM   #1
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Last February I fell off of a ladder from a height of about ten feet. I'm lucky I didn't land on my head and die. I'm lucky I didn't hurt myself worse than I did.

As it was, I spent a night in the hospital and was sent home with a walker and three prescriptions: a muscle relaxant, a narcotic pain reliever and a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory called Naproxen. A four-legged walker and meds three times a day gave me a glimpse of my future. Turning 90 won't be pretty.

The night I spent in the hospital, I spent a lot of time thinking. I couldn't walk at this point. I couldn't even stand upright. Still, all I could think of was loading up my bike and going touring again.

I took Physical Therapy. After about a week I graduated from the walker to a cane. I was already riding my bike, slowly and painfully, before I gave up the cane. A couple more weeks and I was walking without a prop. I gave up the narcotic after the first week, and the muscle relaxant soon after. I kept taking the Naproxen, though. Naproxen was my friend. I made plans for a weeklong bike tour in October. I promised myself that I would give up the last of the meds after the trip.

When Vioxx was pulled off of the market, I called my doctor. Should I be concerned about taking Naproxen long term? She said not to worry. I had quit taking Naproxen by the time Celebrex was recalled. I still had some residual pain from the fall, and some old pains that I'd forgotten had come creeping back. I took Ibuprofen to deal with it, though it didn't help as much as the Naproxen.

Last week, I saw an ad for Aleve on TV. I thought, I should try that stuff and see if it helps. That afternoon I bought a bottle of 50 tabs. I was surprised to find that Aleve was my old friend Naproxen, just a lower dosage than the prescription strength I'd been taking. It helps. It helps a lot.

I've been singing the praises on Naproxen for a while. I even recommended it in a recent thread about elbow tendonitis. It's great stuff. Living pain-free is a good thing..

Today. of course, the news broke about a study which suggests that taking Naproxen long-term leads to an increased chance of heart attack and stroke.

Dammit.

Well, I'm not going to worry about it too much. I've been taking one tab of Aleve about every other day. That's not a lot, really. I think I'll wait to see what further studies say about the risks of taking Naproxen. In the meantime, I comfort myself with the thought that, even if I have a heart attack or stroke from taking Aleve, at least it won't hurt so much.






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Old 12-21-04, 06:20 PM   #2
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Nothing better than a splif for pain abatement.

Lived two years with a herniated disc at L4-5, beat the opiates hands down... and it dosen't constipate you.
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Old 12-21-04, 06:26 PM   #3
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Nothing better than a splif for pain abatement.
I agree. There are certain alternatives to pharmeceutical drugs that actually work much better to ease pain without all the dangerous side effects.
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I prefer to deal with the disorder, not the symptom. Drug dependency is bad. But I guess I'm just one of the lucky ones who's been able to get over all his (recent) ailments naturally.

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Old 12-21-04, 11:45 PM   #6
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I don't even want to imagine that boy stoned.
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Nothing better than a splif for pain abatement.

Damned Libertarians! D'oh, I resemble that remark. Good thing I don't have to resort to self-flagellation for offending myself.

I try not to take anything on a regular/daily basis. Well, vitamins--but I can never remember them so it's not regular. I think we're over-medicated as a society(North America at least). Was on Norvasc for hypertension, but I discovered this thing called "exercise" that nipped that in the bud(no pun intended). And, btw, I do not partake of illegal substances. A little alcohol every now and then does the trick for me--that and chocolate peanut butter. Oh, yeah, and PIE! duh
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Oh yeah peanut butter
I go through a jar a week... just by the spoonful. Mine, all mine!
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Ah, but is it "crunchy" or "creamy"?
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I don't even want to imagine that boy stoned.

Wait, you mean he's been posting -- sober?
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Ah, but is it "crunchy" or "creamy"?

Creamy Ummmmmm. Anything else isn't peanut butter.


Note: Operative word being 'Butter'.
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I agree. There are certain alternatives to pharmeceutical drugs that actually work much better to ease pain without all the dangerous side effects.
i agree... this especially helpful to those whose stomaches are irritated by some meds.

As for the naproxen, I heard the problem was more of an issue at high doses. Is there still a problem at low well-spaced doses of the drug?

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Ok, there's too much agreeing going on here This place is starting to look civilized!





Wait, that's a GOOD thing.
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Long term side effects will continue to rear their ugly heads as companies rush to pump out drugs for every ailment under the sun. I think some testing is rushed, but, by and large, people(Americans esp.) aren't patient enough to wait 10-20 years for a drug to be proven safe and effective. Hopefully, we can cross reference effects more precisely(and quickly) in future testing as the body's processes are better understood and companies stop taking short cuts. I think a little more backbone in the FDA might help, too. For example, I wonder if anyone truly knows what the long term effects of the libido-enhancing drugs will be? I don't partake of those, either, so I'm not too worried about it personally. On a societal level, it worries me quite a bit, tho.

Hmm, was that a rant? Didn't mean to--honest....

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Creamy Ummmmmm. Anything else isn't peanut butter.


Note: Operative word being 'Butter'.
2 things:
#1 Dammit, you sound just like my wife.

#2 The correct answer is: crunchy! Long live the crunchy!!

P.S. So butter is typically creamy. So what?! You and your "logic".... Maybe I happen to like butter with pockets of milk in it. K, that analogy's just too weird. I'll shut up now
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I heard last night that aleve now causes heart attacks?
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crunchy peanut butter really is better. but why is it more expensive? i mean.. they don't even have to crush the nuts...
That depends on the maker, really. Some places just do a coarse grind that leaves some nuts in pieces, but others make creamy and then add peanut pieces into it(think it's more expensive in this case). Either way--viola! Crunchy peanut butter!

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stacey, how often do you poop?
LMAO! Oops, I'm supposed be shutting up. *points finger* Merton made me do it!
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I heard last night that aleve now causes heart attacks?
Well, elevated risk of heart attack and stroke, anyway. Same as Naproxen from what RegularGuy said.^
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2 things:
#1 Dammit, you sound just like my wife.

#2 The correct answer is: crunchy! Long live the crunchy!!

P.S. So butter is typically creamy. So what?! You and your "logic".... Maybe I happen to like butter with pockets of milk in it. K, that analogy's just too weird. I'll shut up now
#1 Thank you. She's been coaching me

#2 For you that may be so. Isn't CHOICE a wonderful thing? One of my favorites to make a quick samich is that peanut butter that's got the jelly right in it... Schmuckers maybe?

PS - Right, your starting to comprehend, tell your wife you ARE trainable Butter IS creamy, egro Peanut BUTTER must be creamy. Personally, I like my milk with pockets of butter in it. 'Mkay
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crunchy peanut butter really is better. but why is it more expensive? i mean.. they don't even have to crush the nuts...


stacey, how often do you poop?

Two, three, four times a day in the morning, then I usually drop a really big one right before bed to help me sleep. Why? Do you need some?
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LMAO! Oops, I'm supposed be shutting up. *points finger* Merton made me do it!

Ok now you got try to poop there Mr. LMAO! Kinda tough to pinch a loaf w/o an A
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Ok now you got try to poop there Mr. LMAO! Kinda tough to pinch a loaf w/o an A
Don't need an A, I guess I just store my "product". My wife says I'm full of it all the time.
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There is just so much to respond to here. Where to start?

OK. First the herbal remedy. It's not a good choice for me for a number of reasons, legality being high on the list. I favor decriminalization, by the way. I think that laws banning the use of marijuana for legitimate medical purposes are absurd, and that many of the laws regarding possession of small amounts are draconian. However, anyone who advocates legalization should probably keep in mind that if it is legalized it can be controlled, regulated, restricted and taxed, as alcohol is.

Still, if ganja were a legal option for me, I wouldn't be taking it, precisely because of its side-effects. Temporary impairment of coordination and judgment. distortions of the experience of time, heightened appetite, and the strange feeling that someone is standing over my left shoulder are all things I can do without. I'm looking for pain relief, not a high. There is conflicting opinion about long-term side-effects from cannabis, too. Reduced ability to learn, impaired memory functioning and the possibility of cancer (yes, marijuana smoke contains carcinogens) are all linked to long-term use of pot. As the small print in the pharmaceuticals ads says:

All drugs have potential side-effects.

Second: Opiates. No thanks. The two poppy derivatives I've experienced have not been good for me. Codiene gave me weird, vivid dreams. Morphine made me violently ill.

Third: Aleve is a brand name for a non-prescription strength of Naproxen. I was taking 500 mgs of Napoxen twice daily. One tab of Aleve is 220 mgs and the dose is not exceed three times a day.

Fourth: I think the Naproxen study is flawed and that the FDA and the media have over-reacted due to the problems with Vioxx and Celebrex.

The study of Naproxen was done on a population with Alzheimer's disease. It was statistically small sample and, I suspect, made up of elderly people. The results showed a slight increase in the risk of heart-attack and stroke in the test group as compared to a control group. The doses were high and taken over a long term. I think more studies will need to be done before the evidence is conclusive. In the meantime, small and occasional doses of Aleve are probably pretty safe.

Fifth: Creamy. I toured the Peter Pan factory in Chicago years ago. Karider is right. crunchy peanut butter is just creamy with added peanut chunks.


Sixth: If I smoked weed for pain management, I'd probably eat a lot of peanut butter, too.

Seventh: I'm not in favor of drug dependence, either. I'm glad I had pills to ease my pain while I did the things I needed in order to recover from my injuries.

Eighth: If I didn't have an A, I'd probably be in a lot of pain, and take opiates which would further constipate me, which would cause me more pain, which would lead me to take more opiates....It's a vicious circle!

Ninth: I'm dizzy. I think I'll take a couple of aspirin and go lie down now.
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Good post RG, not that I agree with all of it (except the Peanut Butter) but nothing worth formulating an oposing PoV over.

I'm glad you're on the mend. Debilitating pain isn't fun. Holiday wishes!

Now, where DID I put my papers? Bloody short term memory loss
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RG, where is that Peter Pan factory at? It's time for a visit!

I like Aleve. My sister is a doctor, and back when I used to get a lot of migranes, she strongly recommended Aleve because of the naproxin. I think if you follow the label as recommended, you should be ok. Too much of anything in excess is not a good thing, if you ask me.

I get the feeling that when something bad happens with a product, the media goes crazy trying to find links to other problems or trying to find a similar product that they can find problems with so they can lead the 6 o'clock news with something juicy. If it's true that the data was skewed to create mass hysteria for news, then what's the point in panicking before further research is done to confirm the initial negative claims?

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