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Old 12-31-04, 02:52 AM   #1
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Shimano is like Microsoft...

Like the title says, they show some similarities

control like 80-90% of the market
make there stuff incompatible with other brands
very few alternatives
want to rule the world

Just my thoughts.

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Old 12-31-04, 02:55 AM   #2
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Like the title says, they show some similarities

control like 80-90% of the market
make there stuff incompatible with other brands
very few alternatives
want to rule the world

Just my thoughts.

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Old 12-31-04, 03:09 AM   #3
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No kidding.......The advent of STI and all this "total integration" bull**** was the ploy that shimano used to eliminate suntour.
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Old 12-31-04, 04:50 AM   #4
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Like the title says, they show some similarities

control like 80-90% of the market
make there stuff incompatible with other brands
very few alternatives
want to rule the world

Just my thoughts.

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Sounds like it's time for you to go out and build a new derailleur. Or, better still, an operating system.

Sorry, with tricks like this who needs treats?
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Old 12-31-04, 06:52 AM   #5
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No kidding.......The advent of STI and all this "total integration" bull**** was the ploy that shimano used to eliminate suntour.
So you're a Campy man? Apple versus banana?

You know, most of what we see now was invented and tried back in the early 20th century. There's not much new on bikes.
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Old 12-31-04, 09:12 AM   #6
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Yeah but unlike Microsoft, Shimano's never crashed on me.
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Old 12-31-04, 09:20 AM   #7
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No kidding.......The advent of STI and all this "total integration" bull**** was the ploy that shimano used to eliminate suntour.
The Suntour folks would have done the same to the Shimano folks if possible. They just weren't good/smart enough.

Business is not about what's good for the consumer; it's not about morals; it's 100% about "increasing shareholder value". All else is a DISTANT second. It's the unfortunate job of governement to pass, and enforce laws to ensure that the consumer doesn't get screwed too badly in the process. I say "unfortunate" becasue they do such a poor job @ it.
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Old 12-31-04, 09:57 AM   #8
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Yeah but unlike Microsoft, Shimano's never crashed on me.
You Never had your STI shifter blue screen on ya!
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Old 12-31-04, 10:10 AM   #9
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So you're a Campy man? Apple versus banana?
you mean Apple versus Microsoft... pay attention


PS: Too late to nominate this the dumbest thread of the year?
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Old 12-31-04, 10:51 AM   #10
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yes watch out - the next thing we will have to ring up to ask permission to install our derailleurs on a different bike
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Old 12-31-04, 11:11 AM   #11
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There is on difference.

Shimano doesn't ask its customer what it needs for a product, it force feeds it own market with its product
Microsoft does what consumers wants, but eats its competition for breakfast at any given turn.
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Old 12-31-04, 02:01 PM   #12
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Microsoft does what consumers wants
They do?
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Old 12-31-04, 02:07 PM   #13
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Microsoft does what consumers wants

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

In direct contradiction of this quote, I present:



Many Office '97, 2000, etc users told Microsoft that they hate Clippy. In response, MS kept the little bastard in Office XP.
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Old 12-31-04, 02:13 PM   #14
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They do...I am talking corporate here no normal consumer...sorry if you disagree but they offer some sweet integrated packages.
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Old 12-31-04, 02:14 PM   #15
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

In direct contradiction of this quote, I present:



Many Office '97, 2000, etc users told Microsoft that they hate Clippy. In response, MS kept the little bastard in Office XP.
Whats the pic supposed to be it doesn't show up?
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Old 12-31-04, 02:15 PM   #16
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Ahah...got it...

Yeah..clippy blows serious chunks...but it doesn't actually hinder the product like say, sti shifters on a freeride bike.
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Old 12-31-04, 03:04 PM   #17
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I miss my 1990 Bianchi Grizzly. It worked beautifully. It was a full SunTour XC Pro setup with one minor exception: the rear cassette was Shimano. It was the best shifting bike I've ever owned. The only reason I don't have it any more is because I bought a Catamount MFS and sold the Grizzly to my younger brother. I hope he still has it.
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Old 01-06-05, 02:17 AM   #18
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SRAM is like macintosh i suppose. I think SRAM is catching up. The make just about everything and they are all very good products for a low price.
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Campy is like Macintosh (Apple)... controls a small share of the market, higher quality and works better and has a slightly different interface (thumb shifters)...

Shimano is like Microsucks... everyone uses them, it works, and is what everyone has grown up with.

SRAM --- is like linux, specility community, cheep, low cost etc...
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Old 01-07-05, 12:06 PM   #20
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Campy is like Macintosh (Apple)... controls a small share of the market, higher quality and works better and has a slightly different interface (thumb shifters)...
You forgot to mention "and only focuses on one group of the biking community while ignoring the rest"
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Old 01-08-05, 01:33 AM   #21
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SRAM is like macintosh i suppose. I think SRAM is catching up. The make just about everything and they are all very good products for a low price.
I agree. I went with sram x9 on my recumbent. the shimano setup sucked. well it was really low end. but it was too spendy to go to shimano and the 1 to 1 cable pull on the sram is great. my shifting is smoother tehn my road bike with DA
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I'd like to think of camy as unix.
SRAM as the cheaper linux.
Shimano as Microsoft.
And apple gets left out.
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Old 01-08-05, 09:26 AM   #23
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So, are my downtube shifters like MS DOS?
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If they are friction shifters maybe.
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I agree. I went with sram x9 on my recumbent. the shimano setup sucked. well it was really low end. but it was too spendy to go to shimano and the 1 to 1 cable pull on the sram is great. my shifting is smoother tehn my road bike with DA
X-9 Shifters, Derailluer, PC99 Hollow Pin Chain, PG990 Cassette, Avid SD 7 brake levers is my next upgrade. notice how its all sram?
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