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    Shweet!

    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Lord XENU?

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    Nah, that vehicle was more like a DC-8. (cough, cough, ****ing crazy! cough, cough.)
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    That's low technology for American technology, nothing to get excited about.

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    More importantly, if that's the part about the military space program that they will tell you about. What are they doing up there that they won't tell you about. Sort of like C-130 vs Blackbird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    More importantly, if that's the part about the military space program that they will tell you about. What are they doing up there that they won't tell you about. Sort of like C-130 vs Blackbird.
    Again, it's low technology. We have greater technology then that piece of ancient hardware! They may be doing some clandestine operations with it, but the delivery vehicle is not that big of deal.

    And a C130 can do the same thing that the SR71 did, only difference is how high and how fast it takes to get to the job site. And the SR71 is even more ancient, we've gone past that. Always remember, technology never stops evolving.

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    IMHO This vehicle is design to grab/steal enemy satellites and bring them home for study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RubenX View Post
    IMHO This vehicle is design to grab/steal enemy satellites and bring them home for study.
    Really? You don't think that a foreign power who put a sat up only to have us steal it wouldn't be a bit miffed? Besides the USA tech is so high that no country has a sat tech we would desire to have that we haven't already had in the past or currently employ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RubenX View Post
    IMHO This vehicle is design to grab/steal enemy satellites and bring them home for study.
    It said the payload bay is only about the size of a pickup truck bed, so not sure that's feasible. Sounds like a spy platform or maybe something that can grab space debris and launch it into other spy satellites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
    Really? You don't think that a foreign power who put a sat up only to have us steal it wouldn't be a bit miffed? Besides the USA tech is so high that no country has a sat tech we would desire to have that we haven't already had in the past or currently employ.
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    Really? You don't think that a foreign power who put a sat up only to have us steal it wouldn't be a bit miffed? Besides the USA tech is so high that no country has a sat tech we would desire to have that we haven't already had in the past or currently employ.
    See my reasoning:

    1. They said that they powered the craft over long time (a year) using solar panels that were stored on the cargo bay. Meaning, when it's launched, the cargo bay is full. So it's not to take stuff up.
    2. It can land. Why land an unmanned craft instead of just letting it burn on reentry (cheaper). They must be planning on bringing something back.
    3. It's unmanned *and* they start developing it back when we still have the shuttle. Why design an unmanned vehicle that could retrieve stuff if we already had manned vessels? Well, enemy spy satellites might be rigged with explosives.
    4. Why steal something that's probably lesser tech? Is no about the tech... is about getting their encryption algorithms and study how the weaknesses of their tech.
    5. Why don't just blow up the enemy sat? See number 4... easier to reverse engineer enemy tech *before* is blown up to a gazillion pieces.

    ...and those 5 reasons were not enough...

    6. Tinfoil hatery.
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    1. The solar panels were probably put back inside the bay when it comes down. Anything not protected by heat shields is going to burn up and cause problems on re-entry.
    2. Probably to update the electronics and equipment, possibly the solar panels to provide more juice. I don't think the costs make them readily disposable.
    3. There are lots of life support systems, communications equipment, and supplies needed for humans. Dumping weight/size is a big cost savings for putting something into orbit.
    4. Whatever you try to steal has to fit in that small bay. If it doesn't you have to dismantle or extract the good parts. Not likely without some good robots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RubenX View Post
    See my reasoning:

    1. They said that they powered the craft over long time (a year) using solar panels that were stored on the cargo bay. Meaning, when it's launched, the cargo bay is full. So it's not to take stuff up.
    2. It can land. Why land an unmanned craft instead of just letting it burn on reentry (cheaper). They must be planning on bringing something back.
    3. It's unmanned *and* they start developing it back when we still have the shuttle. Why design an unmanned vehicle that could retrieve stuff if we already had manned vessels? Well, enemy spy satellites might be rigged with explosives.
    4. Why steal something that's probably lesser tech? Is no about the tech... is about getting their encryption algorithms and study how the weaknesses of their tech.
    5. Why don't just blow up the enemy sat? See number 4... easier to reverse engineer enemy tech *before* is blown up to a gazillion pieces.

    ...and those 5 reasons were not enough...

    6. Tinfoil hatery.
    Your assuming base on what you've read, and what you've read is pure speculative. All that size of a craft will do is to perform orbital reconnaissance which allows ground control to vary the path to cover different areas then a regular sat will, making the ground target unable to predict when they may be getting viewed. There are numerous other things it can do due to miniaturization of technology like put into orbit very small sats that are difficult to find from the ground; and certain weapons could also be deployed. Ok why did my text suddenly shrink? Anyway, it's too small of a bay to retrieve other sats from other nations and either bring them back or examine them unless like you mentioned somehow we've figured out a way to tap into the electronics and get software information.

    Keep in mind this craft has been operational for a lot longer then we're led to believe, it's related to the retirement timing of the SR71.

    Weird, now I'm back to normal size text! I wonder if the entire text will be all one size when I post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
    That's low technology for American technology, nothing to get excited about.
    American technology is the best! LOL! almost every vehicle we build for space wouldn't be in space if it weren't for German rocket technology! And the electronics we use in most if not all of them are almost surely Japanese or Korean!
    You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikebikes View Post
    American technology is the best! LOL! almost every vehicle we build for space wouldn't be in space if it weren't for German rocket technology! And the electronics we use in most if not all of them are almost surely Japanese or Korean!
    Good point, one of the few who know this little fact, especially the rocket tech, but the same is true with the Russian rocket tech.

    However the US was the first to miniaturize from tubes to transistors to chips, Japanese didn't give us that, we did because of the moon missions. From our Bell labs came the transistor, the idea had been floated around first in Canada but only in theory, then Germany did the same thing later but again only in theory. Then microchip technology came out of our country again thanks to Texas Instruments and Fairchild Semiconductor. Japan is the leader in consumer electronics, they also have some military electronics for defensive purposes that are quite spectacular, but Japan is forced due to treaty constraints to make only defensive weapons thus the USA has spectacular electronics as well more more aimed at the offensive end of the scale. Some of our stuff is beginning to show it's face in the offensive world as well. Almost all the electronics used in our military is exclusively made in the USA, with some coming from Japan and Germany. There has been some reports that China was making some electronics for the US military and some of the parts were counterfeit, but while China is ranked number 2 in the world for counterfeit military electronic manufacturing, guess who is number 1...we are! that's right the USA. Keep in mind, we get the electronics made at cheap prices then charge the taxpayers a lot of money for an aircraft less say that in actuality cost a lot less to make then reported, so where does all that money go that really wasn't spent on construction of the aircraft? Black budget items. You cannot have a paper trail for black budget items or it wouldn't be top secret because it could be traced.

    But Germany during WW2 had some amazing stuff for the times, things like V missiles guided remotely by a TV camera in the nose to the target one example that gets little attention; developing the first nuclear fission in 1939 that would have led to the first nuclear bomb; and something still out of this world even today, a very secret and still secret today that the US stole and have been working on it all these years and have succeeded, what you and others call...UFO technology. I seriously believe that had Germany stayed out of Africa which spread them out to thin, and didn't break their treaty with Russia by attacking them which opened a new front Germany couldn't handle, and didn't kill their own scientists, they would have won, and the world would be a far far different place today. Both the US and the USSR stole the secrets to nuclear fission and development of the bomb from Germany. There have been some people I've spoke to who believe Germany could have won regardless if they attacked Russia and Africa had they not killed their own scientists, I don't know, but Germany was the forefront of technology at the time, leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else and who's to say if all those scientists had lived what would have happened.

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    what do you mean by UFO technology? the flying wing planes? Gotha-229 I think? I agree they had some very advanced stuff and if they'd been more focused, things would be very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black_box View Post
    what do you mean by UFO technology? the flying wing planes? Gotha-229 I think? I agree they had some very advanced stuff and if they'd been more focused, things would be very different.
    Due to sensitive stuff that I've exposed to I can only tell you that you need to do some research on the internet and you will discover more then you think you can, but less then I can tell you, but enough of it's there to make you believe we're not being visited by aliens from another planet.

    Start here and work your way through, I think you'll find it fascinating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs By the way, most of these scientists that worked on projects such as this one were killed by Hitler's goon squads to prevent secret info from leaking out...though a bit counterproductive! The only known scientist to live working on the UFO projects mysteriously disappeared, but family members traced him to the...USA!

    Also see this film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZACRCOtDhc

    And no matter what you read on the internet refuting this stuff...all I can say, don't believe it. The alien conspiracies that abounded after WW2 were designed to disguise the fact that the UFO's were not from outer space.

    There is another type of UFO too that the USA possesses. I can say this because it was hinted at on TV. Laser beams have been proven to be able to project images in the sky, these images look real to the observer.

    Big question you will have after researching this stuff is...why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
    Due to sensitive stuff that I've exposed to I can only tell you that you need to do some research on the internet and you will discover more then you think you can, but less then I can tell you, but enough of it's there to make you believe we're not being visited by aliens from another planet.

    Start here and work your way through, I think you'll find it fascinating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs By the way, most of these scientists that worked on projects such as this one were killed by Hitler's goon squads to prevent secret info from leaking out...though a bit counterproductive! The only known scientist to live working on the UFO projects mysteriously disappeared, but family members traced him to the...USA!

    Also see this film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZACRCOtDhc

    And no matter what you read on the internet refuting this stuff...all I can say, don't believe it. The alien conspiracies that abounded after WW2 were designed to disguise the fact that the UFO's were not from outer space.

    There is another type of UFO too that the USA possesses. I can say this because it was hinted at on TV. Laser beams have been proven to be able to project images in the sky, these images look real to the observer.

    Big question you will have after researching this stuff is...why?
    Oh, look, someone else read "Hunt for Zero Point." Good. One thing often overlooked is that all of Germany's leading scientists were Jewish and got out early. This forced Germany to explore some things different than strictly Einsteinian physics, with some interesting results. After the war, Operation Paperclip vacuumed up all the classified Luftwaffe materials it could, some of which is still classified. One thing's for sure, the Luftwaffe was solidly ahead of us in strictly technical terms. Had the Battle of the Bulge succeeded and bought them the time for another couple hundred jet aircraft, we may well have lost air superiority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Blight View Post
    Oh, look, someone else read "Hunt for Zero Point." Good. One thing often overlooked is that all of Germany's leading scientists were Jewish and got out early. This forced Germany to explore some things different than strictly Einsteinian physics, with some interesting results. After the war, Operation Paperclip vacuumed up all the classified Luftwaffe materials it could, some of which is still classified. One thing's for sure, the Luftwaffe was solidly ahead of us in strictly technical terms. Had the Battle of the Bulge succeeded and bought them the time for another couple hundred jet aircraft, we may well have lost air superiority.
    Actually I never read that book, the information of only which I can speak of was also available on various TV programs over the years. The book you mentioned probably compiles the bits and pieces from those programs. There was also a very interesting article in Popular Mechanics I think in 2003 or 4 that came out either September or October that had more clues of which not much is put into books or TV. That information proved that Nikola Tesla was the first person to mess around with the concept of "antigravity" machines. His attempts to build one failed to work because he said he couldn't get enough power, and that was the reason that the US years later needed a miniature nuclear power source publicly saying it was for a submarine...which it was also used for.

    Nikola Tesla was a unusual person having come up with ideas that came out of a period of time where man didn't fly, barely just got the car going, electricity was extremely limited in use. Tesla was in the midst of primitive surroundings and Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Makes you wonder if some human and or race/nation of people hadn't made similar discoveries over the eons of human history in the midst of primitive surroundings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rekmeyata View Post
    Again, it's low technology. We have greater technology then that piece of ancient hardware! They may be doing some clandestine operations with it, but the delivery vehicle is not that big of deal.

    And a C130 can do the same thing that the SR71 did, only difference is how high and how fast it takes to get to the job site. And the SR71 is even more ancient, we've gone past that. Always remember, technology never stops evolving.
    Of course I realize that the SR-71 has been replaced by something else. I used the two planes only to compare high tech and low tech. (But can a C130 really do the same things, outracing the missiles sent to shoot it down or doing reconnaissance from the edge of space? I hadn't heard of those capabilities. )

    My point was that if the X-37B was similar to the C130, a low tech truck if you will, the military undoubtedly also has some very high-tech high capability programs that they aren't telling anyone about as was the Blackbird in it's time.
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