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Old 07-31-12, 10:05 PM   #1
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Cat Dynamics.

It's amazing how the addition or loss of one cat can re-jiggle the entire household feline hierarchy.

One time in a world long ago, we had a cat named Dusty. She was our only cat and was lovable and playful. Then we got a little guy named Ledo. He was the most amazing cat I ever had, but shortly after he arrived, Dusty stepped back, and kinda became a decoration. She was shy and non-involved. 15 years later, Ledo died of kidney failure. At that time before he passed on, we had a total of six cats in the house (I know, we're stupid). Anyway after he left us, it only took about a week. Dusty stepped up again and became friendly and loving again. She wasn't so playful anymore at 16, but she had a great 4 or 5 years after he was gone. She sleep on top of me almost every night thereon.

Around that time we had a big old gray guy that was hell on the local wildlife. He was boss in the house and boss in the yard. Through all that he was as gentle as a cat could get. I remember seeing toddlers carrying him around in a half nelson and he just let them do it, eyes bugging out and all. He was Ledo's pal and protector to the end. A few years after Ledo died, I saw a little kitten in a shelter that looked a lot like him, so I adopted him. His name was MooMoo but I changed that to Angelo. He grew up into a big fat bubba (Ledo was petite and svelte). He also decided he was the gray cat's side kick, second banana, his lieutenant. A few years passed, the gray cat got an inoperable tumor in his belly and was put to sleep. Angelo almost immediately took charge and tried to run the show. To his surprise, a little tiny tabby we had, named Emmy, arose, whipped his butt and ran the joint for the next few years.

Right now we've three kitties. We had four until about a month ago. One favorite cat Lily began to stay away longer and longer, coming back fat and brushed. Then I never saw her again. I hope she was taken in and is the happy single cat the way she probably wanted it to be. Of the three remaining are three "walk-ons". Oldest is P.K., we took her in about 1996. Then there is April, who showed up as a kitten but has never really been friendly. She likes my wife some, but not me. Newest is Frannie. She showed up about 4 months ago. The neighbor was feeding her, and she was real friendly. Being the suckers we are, we took her in. She seemed to really like humans, but backed off and hid most the time. I think she was afraid of the other cats. We almost took her to a shelter, hoping she'd get adopted to a no cat home.

P.K., the old one. is dying. She's 16 or so years old and looks like she's having kidney failure. She was really semi-feral most of her life and and lived down our basement until Angelo seemed to nudge her upstairs. She's been an in/outdoor cat for about 8 years now. She slips out and will tear holes in the screens if you don't let her out. She's been friendly for years but not clingy. A few weeks ago she started to want to sleep with me and the missus. We thought that was just wonderful until we started to find pee in the sheets. So had had to start feeding and watering her outdoors. She's drilling down, dehydrated, tired, weak but friendly. Tonight I went out, and prepared a large travel cage with a litter box, food, water and towels, and placed her in it. I'll take her in to the vet in a day or two. It's time. I boxed her because I did not want her to crawl off somewhere and suffer or worse get in a loosing battle with a raccoon. I admire her for always being 100% cat. At least we got to see her become lovable the last year or so.

But beyond that, suddenly it been about 5 days with no PK in the house, Lilly is gone, I guess. April lays low still. Guess what? Frannie suddenly stepped up and now our little buddy at our sides. Right now she's bedding down on top of the bedstead. We loose a sweetheart, our crusty old fixture is leaving us and the newbie steps up after a few months and won;'t leave us alone. And I keep waking up with her laying on me. From scare-dy cat to boss in a few days.

Whatever, it's interesting to me how the hierarchy changes whenever one comes or goes. Over the years, (26) we've had 11 cats.

Dusty, Ledo, Smokey, P.K, Missie, Callie, Angelo, Emmy, Lily, April and Frannie.
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I have gone through the same thing. I had an older cat and my daughter got an orange tabby kitten to live at her dad's house. Dad was very allergic to it so I took Kero the kitten. Old cat wanted nothing to do with a kitten so we got another kitten as a companion, Mr. Li.

Kero was about 2 months older so he was the boss originally. Mr. Li grew up to be over 14 lbs so he became the boss. Old kitty pretty much did her own thing and left the two boys alone except when it came to feeding time, then she always ate first. After the old kitty died Mr. Li stayed the boss, always getting to the food bowls first and standing guard over both of them until I moved one away so Kero could eat.

Kero was the snuggling kitty, always following me around and begging to be picked up. Mr. Li was an occasional lap kitty, but a bit more aloof. Kero died suddenly last June and Mr. Li became very clingy. He'd never been an only cat and he would run to the door to greet me when I got home and wanted to sleep on my bed with me at night.

I got Spock in July and that's thrown everything off balance. Spock is very domineering and Mr. Li hates it. He's become a bit reclusive and timid and I feel a bit sorry for him because I brought this very controlling cat into his empire. They are slowly working things out between them, but it looks like Mr. Li will not be at the top of the totem pole any more.
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I'm going to tell my cat you said this and he's going to come over to your house and beat up your dog. So there.
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Good luck with that. Sparky is one mean Border Collie if you get on her bad side and Rascal will take the low road any chance he gets.
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Mine too, and then she's going to poop in your shoes.
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Or hack a large hairball on the center of your bed.
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1. Cats are too stupid to do math
2. Cats cannot read maps
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Cat Dynamics, didn't she dance the center pole in that place down in Austin?
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I have had as many as three cats at one time... something I learned...unless they are litter mates (and even then) someone gets left out or feels slighted. So I never have more than one cat at a time. That cat is king/queen of the roost and gets my full attention. It's not much diffferent than haviong kids in that respect... no matter how hard a parent tries, they can't spread themselves evenly amongst all the children and kids and cats, can be bullies...
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P.K., the old one. is dying.
Rest in peace... P.K. (aka Pretty Kitty). 1996-97(?) to today.
I came home tonight to take her to the vet but it was too late.
She was her own cat, with a lot of wildness in her, and everything she did was on her terms.
I'm glad we took her in all those years ago and I'm glad she warmed up to us (some) in her later life.
She was never a favorite cat and I don't think she wanted it to be that way,
but she definitely knew our home was hers. We were her people, but she was her own cat.

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Have fun over the Rainbow Bridge chasing all those mice. P.K.
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Sorry about P.K. Rest in peace.

Your original post is why I'm afraid to get another cat. I have two, and would maybe like to adopt another, but I'm afraid of upsetting the delicate balance that currently exists. Boris is a big tuxedo who turned 9 yesterday. Penelope is a medium sized tortie who is 5.5 yrs. They fight some, but really get along very well. Boris likes attention, but doesn't like being held, and does his own thing a a lot. Penelope is my furry little shadow. She loves to snuggle with me, and loves to play fetch with milk rings. So, we have it pretty good here.

As far as cats vs. jsharr's dogs, I love dogs too. I used to have Australian Shepherds, and still feel compelled to pet every Aussie I see. After I got Boris, I loved him immediately, but still wanted an Aussie. With Penelope, I no longer have that great urge to get a dog at all. She is a lot like an Aussie (velcro), and adores me. She is just perfect. And she chose me at the shelter (Pets Without Parents, Columbus OH). I'm sure I wasn't the first person she tried to 'choose', but I'm really glad it worked out this way
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Rest in peace... P.K. (aka Pretty Kitty). 1996-97(?) to today.
We were her people, but she was her own cat.

Rest in peace, P.K. I haz a sads for you.
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Rest in peace... P.K. (aka Pretty Kitty). 1996-97(?) to today.
I came home tonight to take her to the vet but it was too late.
She was her own cat, with a lot of wildness in her, and everything she did was on her terms.
I'm glad we took her in all those years ago and I'm glad she warmed up to us (some) in her later life.
She was never a favorite cat and I don't think she wanted it to be that way,
but she definitely knew our home was hers. We were her people, but she was her own cat.

I'm sorry for your loss.

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1. I had a cat who understood applied physics. Many years ago, when my girlfriend & I moved into a townhouse, we put one of the couches on its end in our rush to get things in, figuring we'd set it up correctly later. At the time, we were keeping our 3 cats in the living room downstairs, as we didn't want them getting into our bedroom or the spare room upstairs until we had things situated. The bedroom was a loft overlooking the living room. I worked 2nd shift, & would watch tv for a few hours after coming home from work. One morning my GF woke up to find two cats in bed with us. She picked up one of them and accused me of leaving the living room door open. When she got downstairs, she found the door closed, and the cat that she hadn't picked up was on the other side of it. They had climbed up the couch & leaped across to the loft. The older of the two only did it once. The younger did it all the time. After a while, I noticed a dirty spot on the wall & wondered where it came from. The cat would climb up the couch, stare at the loft, look at the wall, wind up & jump at the wall, using it as a springboard to get on the loft. When we finally put the couch down, he climbed up on a 3' high end table, looked at the wall, looked at the loft, leaped up & pushed off the wall, only to find himself several feet short of his goal. When he landed, he looked up at the loft, down at the table, and walked away. He never attempted it again.

The older cat was Lance, who lived to be almost 20. The younger (smarter) cat was Lorenzo, who lived to be 16. Our current cat (Arianna) is 18. Lance was the Alpha cat, although Arianna disagreed. Lorenzo just wanted everyone to get along. Arianna & Lance tormented each other up until the last few months of Lance's life. She's currently enjoying being an only cat, and receiving all the love from my wife & I. We've decided that we won't get any more cats until she's gone, then we'll get two.
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Rest in peace... P.K. (aka Pretty Kitty). 1996-97(?) to today.
I came home tonight to take her to the vet but it was too late.
She was her own cat, with a lot of wildness in her, and everything she did was on her terms.
I'm glad we took her in all those years ago and I'm glad she warmed up to us (some) in her later life.
She was never a favorite cat and I don't think she wanted it to be that way,
but she definitely knew our home was hers. We were her people, but she was her own cat.

So sorry to hear of your loss gitarzan. The presence of their absence can be pretty profound. One of my cats is a feral who's pretty happy now that she's an indoor cat, but she still does things on her own semiwild terms. She knows I'm her caretaker, even if she doesn't want to get too close and wonders when I'm going finally figure some of the things out she's been trying to tell me. She had to stay over at the vets last year for some dental work, and she was more grateful to come home than any other cat I've had.
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Rest in peace... P.K. (aka Pretty Kitty). 1996-97(?) to today.
I came home tonight to take her to the vet but it was too late.
She was her own cat, with a lot of wildness in her, and everything she did was on her terms.
I'm glad we took her in all those years ago and I'm glad she warmed up to us (some) in her later life.
She was never a favorite cat and I don't think she wanted it to be that way,
but she definitely knew our home was hers. We were her people, but she was her own cat.

I'm sorry to hear about your loss. Inge and I will keep you in our thoughts tonight.

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Trying would still ba a bad mistake even though one dog is sick and the other old. The Coyotes still fear the dogs.
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